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Saturday, May 06, 2006

 

We Assert our Rights and Freedom!

The following is the joint statement to the press issued by the Batasan 5 today, May 6, 2006. We are inviting everyone to join us in finally leaving the Batasan grounds on Monday morning, May 8.

We, the Batasan 5, have come to a decision. On Monday, May 8, we will leave, all five of us, the premises of the Batasan. We shall assert our freedom and our rights, both as legislators backed by the mandate of the people and as citizens, specifically against the political persecution of the Arroyo government.

In the same breath, we assert our innocence of the spurious charge of rebellion against us and some of our colleagues in the democratic mass movement. The serious charge is rendered so incredible and ridiculous by the sort of documentary evidence produced pell mell by the Philippine National Police and endorsed by the Department of Justice. In fact, Judge Jenny Lind R. Aldecoa-Delorino, in her resolution rejecting and striking out of the court records the amended information, comments that the “numerous enclosures to the original information”­392 in all­“ could hardly cover the width and breath of the detailed allegation raised.”

In brief, insufficient evidence!

Thus, as of this moment there is no case of rebellion against us filed in any court. Even if the DoJ will file a motion for reconsideration or a new information, as it publicly declared it would do, such charge cannot depart from the discredited heap of papers it had submitted to the Makati Regional Trial Court Branch 137.

For more than two months, we have endured the situation wherein the House leadership and the Executive (through the DoJ-PNP ostensibly but, we suspect, through a sinister cabal higher up) cannot resolve the issue of which position must prevail. On the one hand, through HR 133, the House backed by the Senate through a similar resolution expressing the sense of Congress, the law-making body, aver we are not under arrest or detention but under protective custody, specifically, against illegal or warrantless arrest. On the other hand, the DoJ and the PNP, both implementing agencies of laws passed by Congress, claim we either have been arrested and are in detention or will be arrested once we step out of the premises of the Batasan. We have raised the issue for resolution at the Court of Appeals.

With the indulgence and hopefully the full support of our colleagues both in the House and the Senate, we shall uphold their collective position that we, the Batasan 5, are free to leave the Batasan premises and that Rep. Crispin Beltran must be freed.

The stand-off between the Executive and the Legislative over our case only exposes the highly undemocratic and anti-democratic tendency, if not the essential character of the Arroyo government. Under this government, we have to assert and bitterly fight for our rights and freedoms in order to exercise and enjoy them, no matter that­or precisely because­the assertion of our rights and freedoms are met by the government with deliberate repression and unrestrained violence.

We owe it to our people to assert these rights and freedoms that are inalienably theirs too. If the government applies brutal force, as it is wont to do, against our action on Monday, we will confront it with militant and dignified defiance.

By our action on Monday we will also give the DoJ and the PNP and, yes, Malacanang the chance to see the folly of their ways.

90 Comments:

Anonymous Bong said...

Atta boy!! So you're pretty much ready to face your sins. Remember the truth shall set you free. I guess your experience as an activist is to "wait it out" and gather enough support from he masses ehem, or you mean bail money. But looking at your charges will pretty much drag for a certain time, hope that does not happen kawawa naman ang ating kawang gawa if a prosecutor has to spend "peoples money" for all you clowns who almost got away with chaos by aligning yourselves of what might have been a future for Filipinos to see. Scary thought if rumours are true but if you try to join a right extremist with left leaning people like yourselves, then What kind of government are we expecting.

5:59 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

mukhang nagsimula na naman yung ventriloquy show ni bong dah. Atta Bong!

7:16 PM  
Anonymous james jayme said...

Mabuhay ang batasan 5 at si ka bel ...

1:36 AM  
Anonymous frek-frek said...

bong is a sad attempt at word play. pa-intellectual ang effect, ngunit di naman naiintindihan ang lohika at rason ng batasan 6. haaaaaaaaaaaay. if people like you bong, multiplied into the millions, this world will be a hopeless place to live in.

1:37 AM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

"Arrest them!" ("That judge is ignorant of the law.")

"That's the decision of the Department of Justice," says PNP Spokesman Pagdilao after the Makati Judge dismissed the charge against Batasan5.

If that's not stupidity raised to the highest level, what is?

The police or their compliant agents must use their heads and conscience, rather than blindly follow unjust orders from their superiors. It's not a simple case of "we're only doing our job."

2:23 AM  
Anonymous Bong said...

Frek-frek

It's all good baby!!You know what you need to is f*cking raise money for your Batasan 6 friends and maybe they don't have to be in jail.Go back to school and maybe you'll understand WTF logic is about.If not I could show your wife and daughter What logic is and stat a small fire in their panties.You like to watch HUH!!

2:59 AM  
Anonymous Bong said...

frek frek again,

Maybe you need to get off the streets and go back to school that way you could feed your starving family and give back their dignity instead of brainwashing the masses, telling them to do this and that. It's pretty amazing "left-leaning" parties get voted by the people. Just wondering What kind of a setback this would cause the Filipinos if ever you commies are voted at the highest position in the country, you probably wont catch the logic on that one, because your brain is so fried out in the streets and you can't think right.I blame people like you vice-versa with the current administration for the cause of being so much of a poor country. Then again I'd be wrong on How the heck would a former actor would run the country.Bleh!!!

3:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bong,

using a filthy lingo does not result in a healthy exchange. if you can't help it, you need not parade it around. maybe it's better to just keep it yourself, ok?

4:44 AM  
Anonymous Kabagis619 said...

To Batasan6:
Go for it! Assert what is right! Stand up and fight! We will support you all the way!

5:32 AM  
Blogger adarna said...

stop political persecution! free ka bel! defeat arroyo's dictatorship!

mabuhay ang batasan6!

12:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Either a rule of law or a rule of Gonzalezes. Filipinos had better choose wisely.

2:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bong is 'gunggong' of a man. He is not deserving to be called a 'man' for he is not. As filthy as he is, he belongs to the rats and insects, who spreads sickness and diseases to the innocent.

Wag nang patulan ang unggoy na yan!

4:20 PM  
Anonymous bludwid said...

If this dude Bong had a mondicum of intelligence, he probably would have realized by now that the Makati RTC has junked the Batasan 6's case already...

However, as I have said earlier, it looks to be a personal issue with the DOJ now, as they swear to arrest the 5 representatives anyway even after the judge has failed to see any probable cause for the charges against them.

Outside raising money, which is Bong's narrow-minded viewpoint, one of the biggest motives of the Batasan 5 in staying at congress is to show everybody how low this government can go just to prove a point, which is obviously proven as pointless by now anyway.

The whole world will be watching now. All the journalists, human rights activists, and people of moral influence WILL watch or keep tabs on what happens tomorrow.

And Bong, lose the pretentious high-faluting language. The amount of intelligence in a person is not directly proportional to the number of english "slang" or lingo he or she can put in a paragraph...

Nagmumukha ka lang trying hard...

4:28 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

matapos ang lahat ng panlalait at pag batikos na inabot ko sa blog na ito, isa lang ang masasabi ko,

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/197/2550/1600/P1220019.jpg

cut and paste nyo na lang. ako mismo ang may kuha nyan.

7:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and the point is?

8:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations to the Batasan 5 for forcing Gonzalez to order the police not to arrest them. Now they had better watch out for the shot in the dark. The Gonzalezes and the military are very, very vindictive, especially if they think they've been out-machoed. Una nilang titirahin ang babae, makita mo.

10:02 PM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Batasan5 should not be over confident. I know they keep their guard on alert, for anything can happen.

Right now, Malacanan's attention seems focused on another angle of the conspiracy theory. Apparently, Sec of (in)Justice Gonzales is hellbent on extraditing the "conspirators," esp. Estrada and Lacson, to get rid of them once and for all. Funny, the US has not even thought about it, but this Gonzales is already set to go for it. I don't think the US is fool enough to go into full-scale scrutiny of Aragoncillo's case, indicting people from other countries not in any way involved in terrorism. If ever, US is happy to remove an inept govt that opens its doors to terrorism and anarchy because of its undemocratic practices.

11:39 PM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

This is just a personal opinion that addresses the obnoxious GMA line, including that of Bong and others who go all out bashing heads of "commies" and leftists and using foul techniques to show they care. I apologize to those who don’t want to hear it.

The color of our govt today only betrays its SHADY CHARACTER and UNDEMOCRATIC PRACTICES. One need not get that impression from leftists and oppositionists themselves. Try hearing from what other law-abiding citizens say. Listen to the voices of Filipino overseas. Their analysis is informed not by personal biases but by larger perspectives of rationality. Unlike some oppositionists, whose arguments are likewise as tainted, these analysts don't have vested interests to protect. Aside from columnists CDQ, Randy D, Neal C, and oh, even Doronila and Monsod also make mild swipes at GMA's obssession to power, I find Luis Teodoro (www.luisteodoro.com), Tony Abaya (www.geocities.com/dapat_tapatt/tonyabaya.html), and many others very sensible and logical.

Maverick Joker Arroyo (and others from the Senate) also seems to sound as one lately, perhaps because he himself is threatened by the regime he defended tooth-and nail when the Senate "railroaded" GMA's proclamation. In his recent pronouncement (May 8, Manila Times), he came to the rescue of Batasan5, pleading the govt not to be "too harsh" on them. Wasn't he called a "lefty" before, and didn't Enrile itch to pound on him for his "commie" stance while serving under Cory?

He is right on one point, democracy. After all, govt policy has unmistakably taken that posture of allowing the "left" to be heard as part of the democratic processes after the fall of Marcos. Legitimate dissent is what essentializes democracy. Any effort to stiffle it is the mark of authoritarian regimes (we don't have to enumerate them here). GMA's shrouded regime is no doubt earning this mark as she displays those Machiavellian traits to keep herself in power. If she succeeds in aligning the judiciary to her perverted thought, one cannot expect this “strong Republic” to deal with the people it is duty bound to serve.

On the larger scheme of things, I see knowledge coming out of exchanges like this. Knowledge always involves power, and precedes action. Suppressing or clouding it only makes its quest more irresistible and tempting.

2:38 AM  
Anonymous Bong said...

Bludwid

Trying hard ba!! Isaksak mo sa baga mo.You got the balls to tell me that. Whatever the court says you commies will never be in power. At least I don't have to look it up in the dictionary like you. I am not pretending to be an intellectual like yourself, since I can not really feed my family by just having to look up words and pretend that I'm really smart,you're a dumbass bludwig, Fry in hell with your commie buddies.Name the place and time and I will show up, I guess since you're the smart one Let's see if you're fist is good as your mouth,dipshit commie bastard.

5:12 AM  
Anonymous Bong said...

anonymous said"
Bong is 'gunggong' of a man. He is not deserving to be called a 'man' for he is not. As filthy as he is, he belongs to the rats and insects, who spreads sickness and diseases to the innocent.

Wag nang patulan ang unggoy na yan!

How low can you get,lol!!
Innocent of what? Ang ungguy natuturuan, hindi katulad ng commie daldal na lang ng daldal wala namang resulta. Wanted ka ba? Bakit kasi anonymous ang pangalan mo?Bakla ka ba o namumundok ka lang at nakikibakla ooops i mean nakikibaka sa mga bakla mong NPA na kasama.Anyways you can't argue with anonymous, since he's pretty confuse himself.

5:19 AM  
Anonymous Bong said...

bludwid said

If this dude Bong had a mondicum of intelligence, he probably would have realized by now that the Makati RTC has junked the Batasan 6's case already...

"mondicum" wow! How long did it take you to find it in the dictionary,I guess being an activist gives you a lot of time to study while you wait for a M.O.
What are you a "decider" all of a sudden.Bitch please!!!

5:26 AM  
Anonymous Bong said...

bludwid said

If this dude Bong had a mondicum of intelligence, he probably would have realized by now that the Makati RTC has junked the Batasan 6's case already...

"mondicum" wow! How long did it take you to find it in the dictionary,I guess being an activist gives you a lot of time to study while you wait for a M.O.
What are you a "decider" all of a sudden.Bitch please!!!

5:26 AM  
Anonymous Bong said...

See!! These Batasan 5 would never exist if a man rules the Philippines like Marcos.You guys nowadays are a joke, daily protest just scare the investors away and mainly the masses go hungry.If I was the president I would gather all you commies and have you live in the Autonomous region in Mindanao and share your resentment with your Muslim brothers and see if it works out.Hey!! at least you got your own government and then see if you can compete with the Arroyo governmnet? Greedy! or just maybe you just want the whole archipelago to cross over and absorb your communist doctrine,GTFOH!!!!

5:43 AM  
Anonymous Gringo said...

I'm just a fence sitter, listening to what you guys talk about.

Bong, I don't know what you are really up to. You only show how low you can get. I can see that you just reaped what you sowed, just like the others whose only claim to intelligence is using dirty words and pretense to good citizenship. And to fight it out like an animal does, wow!

Thanks God, you were not the President. Otherwise, your prejudiced view will endanger not only the "commies" you hate but also the Muslims you despise.

Nobody except you and those gangsters you idolize are impressed by your warped logic and piggy lingo. Aren't you one of those paid thugs of Malacanang?

7:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

gonzales did it again. Outsmarted by Gonzalez. These guys in MALACANANG really are good. They know how to play the game. The BATASAN 6 are smart persons too, no doubt about that but not that SMART.

You guys were outsmarted by a very old man. He Gonzales is a torn on the Batasan 6. He will not play your tunes, you wil have to play with him. Tsk tsk....

As soon as he gets some "more" evidence. He will be back to get you guys. So if I were, you may have to watch all your tracks and Gonzales the man is ought to get you. Finally, nakakuha rin kayo ng katapat and he is GONZALEZ..
GONZALEZ...the old bitchy GONZALEZ, torn on the OPPOSITION SIDE.

Case considered dismissed. WHAT te heck!

I am sure that there is an NPA mission out there place a bullet on GONZALES head :)

Although I do not fully support some of BONG's comments but he has raised some very good points.

Yes, the government is looking at a different issue now. But these guys LACSON and ESTRADA, they finally got their KARMA.

8:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sobrang OA naman yan Batasan 5.. gagamit pa daw ng Human shield..masyado..OA as in Over acting..tigil na yan..lumabas na lang kayo period.Di na nga kinakagat ang kadramahan nyo.

To Hawaain guy,
Sasama ka ba sa Human shield..sige magpaka-OA ka rin ..

9:07 AM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Anonymous,

You're right. If I were there I would consider joining them. And maybe you would be there also, behind the police line, itching to hurl a stone to our position. hehehehe!

9:32 AM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

To the other anonymous,

I'll bet my ass that the US won't go to great lengths to ask for the extradition of Lacson and Erap. They are just too happy now that they got Aragoncillo, and the buck stops there after he admitted to his espionage. Who knows, Uncle Sam may not also want to go deeper into this without compromising his highly guarded secret.

Old Gonzales's plan to get the duo sent to America is like counting the chicks before the eggs hatch, or inducing the hen to lay its eggs before it decides to do so. Talagang lang atat na atat na mapatalsik, para mabawasan nga naman ang mga 'destabilizers'. Tsk tsk tsk.

Read some cool heads in Malacanang's security council, they will tell you more about this.

9:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Hawaiian guy,

Saan ka ba ? I dont believe na nasa ibang bansa ka, pero i do believe na OA ka rin..hehehe.

12:17 PM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Anonymous,

Bahala ka kung ano ang palagay mo kung nasaan ako. Hindi mo ba napansin na tulog ka pa at mga kasama mo diyan ay gising nako dito at nag blog na? Mamaya ng kunti, tulog na ako, samantalang gising ka pa. Oh, ano ibig sabihin nun? Alangan namang dracula ako, at ikaw naman ay aswang.

OA? All I can say is that the feeling is mutual, hehehehe.

2:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Hawaiian guy,

Kase nagwowork ka sa call center..hala..using company time yan, at least ako day-off ko ngayon..hehehe..

3:37 PM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Anonymous, Bakit nagtatago ka pa? Lumantad ka na at magpakilala din. Bahala ka nga diyan kung ano ang iniisip mo sakin. Why don't you email me and we talk bout it, huh?

4:01 PM  
Anonymous bludwid said...

To Bong...

Easy lang... your true colours are showing now... Nawala yata ang sense of decorum mo ha...

If you wanna argue, do so in a civilized manner. Hindi yung pag napipikon ka panay double post sa gigil, puro pa mura...

Easy lang sa pindot ng "Publish" button man...

And just for the record..I'm not a leftie. Just because I belive in human rights doesn't mean I'm a communist.

But then, it's narrow-minded people like you who bring this country down on its knees. Before you opinionate, make sure you're clued up first...

Peace. or not. whichever.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

"As soon as he gets some "more" evidence. He will be back to get you guys. So if I were, you may have to watch all your tracks and Gonzales the man is ought to get you. Finally, nakakuha rin kayo ng katapat and he is GONZALEZ..
GONZALEZ...the old bitchy GONZALEZ, torn on the OPPOSITION SIDE.

Case considered dismissed. WHAT te heck!

So Gonzalez is out to get more "evidence"? Six inches thick of affidavits and documents were submitted by the CIDG to the investigating panel and the old devil still needs "more evidence"? So what kind of six inches thick of evidences they had? Would he be looking for more muckraker from the ranks of paid witnesses who defecated somewhere in some forgotten wilds to produce the shit evidence he needs?

That would make the whole country stinking with an overdose of Gonzalez and CIDG's shit evidence.

10:54 PM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Gonzales has been rebuked many times over, just like his lady boss. I seriously doubt if he can put up new evidence re- the Batasan5, and the rebellion case (kuno) that DoJ will lodge against Erap and Ping. If those tons of "evidence" they submitted against the Batasan5 did not hit their mark, why should another ton or two fly? (cook up hearsays from someone called by nature, or flimsy allegations from another makapili?)

And he is contemplating on another rebellion case against Erap and Ping?

Ah, rebellion for breakfast, rebellion for lunch, and rebellion for supper. He must be having indigestion now, man!

12:03 AM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

Guys,

Maybe we should talk about facts here so we could take the discussion out from the gutter level in which bong and company is trying to steer it into.

Why did the case of the DOJ against the Batasan 6 go pfft? Where did the DOJ go wrong?

Because what the DOJ did was part of GMA offensive to silence her critics, to silence those who are calling her to account for her false mandate, to account for her violations of the constitution, and to account for her bloodied hands. The DOJ's action fell flat because it was exactly that, it was not based on a solid case against the Batasan 6.

Because they did not have any evidence against the Batasan 6, what the DOJ did was to indict them as leaders of the rebellion - as members of the Central Committee of the CPP. That explains why all the supposed evidence of the DOJ against the Batasan 6 is comprised of allegations of their alleged presence in some meetings, not by any allegation of participation in armed uprising which is the defining moment of rebellion.

By so doing, by indicting them as leaders of the rebellion, the DOJ thought that it could, on the theory that "the act of one is the act of all" that is supposed to inhere in the conspiratorial nature of rebellion, impute on the Batasan 6 no matter how renotely connected any and all acts of any CPP/NPA member, including alleged acts of the CPP and NPA at a time when the Batasan 6 were too young to even understand rebellion. Yes, the DOJ's case against the B 6 includes such accusation as the Plaza Miranda bombing! Analyze that! Ka Bel, who is the oldest of Batasan 6, was not yet even an activist at that time, how could such charge attach more to those like Teddy who was only three years old when the Plaza Miranda bombing rocked the nation.

Besides the fact that the DOJ does not have any evidence against the Batasan 6, the DOJ's case against them went pfft because the investigating panel led by Velasco proceeded against them in the manner of "lutong macao". By arresting Ka Bel without warrant on February 24, the DOJ was forced, lest they run afoul with the law on illegal detention, to hastily cook up a case against him even when they did not have any evidence to begin with. So they first tried against him an old case long dismissed and covered by an amnesty dispensed by the Aquino regime after the fall of Marcos. When that didn't work, they next slapped him with inciting to sedition. When that too was shown to have been well covered by Ka Bel's parliamentary immunity, they next accused him of rebellion. If they had any evidence against Ka Bel right from the start, why the trial and error?

In accusing Ka Bel of rebellion with the clock of illegal detention running against the DOJ, the investigating panel had to scale down the charge against him pending the DOJ's manufacture of the evidences to support the charge. So they charged him only with rebellion anchored on his alleged meeting with Lt. Lawrence San Juan somewhere in Batangas on February 20, the meeting which allegedly forged the "Left-Right conspiracy" to overthrow the GMA regime.

When the DOJ proceeded next against the Batasan 5, it was now able to come up with a six-inch thick evidences. From these evidences which accused the Batasan 6 of being members of the CC of the CPP, the case of the DOJ built up from the limited accusation of meeting with San Juan to that grand accusation of founding the CPP, bombing the Plaza Miranda, armed encounters and assassinations. But since rebellion is a conspiratorial act, the case built up by the DOJ against the Batasan 5 had to be consolidated with the case earlier filed against Ka Bel. Thus, the amended information. But because the case it built up against the Batasan 5 included allegations dating back to the founding of the CPP, the DOJ ran into and collided with the legal question, "is this an amendment to the original information against Ka Bel or a new information?". Our laws and jurisprudence have a stock answer for that. If it introduces new allegations beyond the scope of the original information as to affect the defense of a respondent, its a new information. It can not be done, as what Judge Delorino rightly said.

Ayan! Lutong "macao kasi".

12:25 AM  
Anonymous Diego K. Guerrero said...

The Arroyo government propaganda documentary series “KATAKSILAN” is a based on fake evidences and testimonies against alleged conspirators. The alleged February 24, 2006 power grab by rebel soldiers and the leftist elements was a product of imagination and fantasy. It’s all a script to justify the declaration of state of emergency. The government is in fishing expedition to pin down dissenters. DOJ chief Raul Gonzalez drafted PP1017 long before the alleged coup attempt last Feb. 24, 2006. Until now the bogus Arroyo government has NOT filed rebellion charges against Army Brig. General Danilo Lim and Marine Col. Ariel Querubin. Gloria Arroyo and her loyal attack dogs are harassing the opposition with rebellion suits. The implementers of illegal acts under PP 1017 should be held liable for their actions. Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita, DND Sec. Avelino Cruz, Injustice Secretary Raul Gonzalez, DILG Sec. Ronnie Puno, PMS chief Mike Defensor, Pres Secretary Ignacio Bunye, National Security Advisor Norberto Gonzales, AFP chief Senga, PNP chief Arturo Lumibao and their cohorts should rot in jail for their crimes against the Filipino people. The illegitimate Arroyo administration is run by bunches of stupid, morons, blood suckers and attorney-out-laws.

2:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bakit po hysterical sa communists ang mga tao? We already tried presidential, dictatorship, parliamentary, presidential ulit at ngayon ay parliamentary na naman. Mukhang paikut-ikot lamang at hindi ina-address ang basic issue ng unequal democratic representation in politics and economics. Yung 70% na mahirap, walang representative kundi ang Batasan 6; yung 30% eh control the government. O baka mas maliit pa, maybe 10% lang. Kaya walang epekto kahit palit nang palit ng konstitution. Ilang beses na ba? 1935, 1945, 1973, 1987 at ngayon, papalitan na naman. Hindi effective kasi pareho rin ang may kontrol. Yung mga Gonzalezes eh alipin lamang ng tunay na may control.

3:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tama ka anonymous, Ewan ko ba kung bakit ganyan na lang ang galit (o takot) ng iba sa "communism." Pati mga critics lang at yung salungat sa govt, "commie" na ang tawag nila. Ganyan siguro ang democracy, lagi naghahanap ng kaaway. Kahit katiting na lang o kaya ay tuluyan ng nawala ang banta ng communism, tuloy pa rin sila sa giyera nila.

Tapos, sa capitalism daw maganda ang buhay. Pero kung ganyan naman na inaabuso ng mayayaman at ng elite ang sambayanan, masarap din ba ito? Sa sinabi mong 10% who own 80% of the wealth, oo naman. Pero hindi sa nakararami. Ok lang sana kung ang 10% na yun ay may ginagawang kabutihan sa iba. eh kaso karamihan yata ay pansarili lang nila ang asikaso.

Tapos ngayon, gusto na naman nilang palitan ang constitution para tuloy ang ligaya. Di ba si Gloria at ang mga kasapakat lang niya sa kongreso ang may gusto nun?

7:28 AM  
Blogger pinoy said...

According to the Inquirer:

PRESIDENT Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s chief of staff Michael Defensor has offered to help the “Batasan 5” lawmakers in their legal case on condition they denounce the communist New People’s Army (NPA)and its campaign of armed struggle.

If they did so, they would belie the allegation “that they are supporting the armed revolution,” Defensor told the Inquirer.

======

That is what I have been saying all along. Denounce the NPA and the armed struggle. I engaged Teddy on a discussion on this issue but he may now be busy to continue our discussion regarding this matter. I raised this issue with Teddy in another post.

Defensor knows where this group is coming from for he was once part of the group. I was once part of the group. The simple act of denouncing armed struggle and the NPA seems so hard for them to do. It simply reinforces the notion that they are indeed fronts on the underground movement.

8:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

progress ends when convinience is preferred than sacrifice.

Long live batasan 6!!!

4:07 PM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

I read the news today from Malaya, "Raul going nuts," says Ka Satur. (One day behind kasi kami dito sa Pinas news, eh)

Tagal na siyang nuts at bananas, kamo. Kaya nga atat na atat na siyang makulong ang Batasan5 dahil sa rebellion case (kuno). Putok talaga ang butse niya dahil nasupalpal siya sa decision ng Makati judge. Kaya wala ng magandang masabi kundi, "sige mamundok na lang kayo." Isn't that the advice of a man whose ideas have run their course? hehehehe!

Pinagpayuhan na rin siya nina Nachura at Ermita na isipin munang mabuti ang another rebellion case sa ibang "prejudged rebels" at "conspiracists." Sila mismo, natauhan na rin yata kasi dahil sa Proc 1017 na binasura ng SC. His version of rebellion is like re-inventing the wheel.

Sabi nga ni De Quiros, "3-0" na. Kung sa baseball pa ito, out na sila. Talaga yatang deliryo na sa kahibangan itong si GMA at ang mga alipores niya. Tsk tsk tsk!

1:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kaya nasabi ni Gonzales na mamundok na lang kayo kase nasa kapatagan man sila undercontrol pa rin sila ng samahan nila sa bundok. Mali ang systemang Party list kase di naman talaga true representation ng isang sector. Halimbawa na lang ang Migrante, yes OFW ako pero di ko narinig na nagkonsulta sila sa min.Kaya di naman nila talaga dala ang boses ng mga OFW or migranteng pinoy. Maganda sana ang intensyon ng gumawa ng party list system kaso na-exploit na ng mga iilang grupo lalo na ng mga makakaliwa. Kahit ilang beses ideny yan, obvious na obvious naman at bobo lang ang maniniwala sa kanilang explanations...

1:32 PM  
Anonymous Italiano said...

Buon giorno,

We, Italian just voted an communist President. We are proud of it.

Why are you Filipino persecuting what you call commie? No wonder why your country is lost.

spiacente per voi

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Italy finally agrees on president
Giorgio Napolitano to become first ex-communist in top job

Wednesday, May 10, 2006 Posted: 1219 GMT (2019 HKT)


ROME, Italy (AP) -- Giorgio Napolitano is the first former communist to ascend to Italy's top job -- president of the republic -- crowning a political life that has spanned half a century

9:34 PM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Italy's politics is probably not unique. I take it that the Italians are now fed up with too much capitalism.

Electing a socialist person to the top post is also what happened to Chile earlier and in Jan 2006, with Michelle Bachelet as president. She is a leading socialist herself, whose party is allied with the Coalition for Democracy (composed of center-leftist groups). She won 54% of the votes, while her coalition gained 20 seats (out of 75) in the Senate. Additionally, the Socialist Party got 8 seats. In the lower chamber, the ruling coalition has 65 members compared to 54 of the opposition.

Bachelet is the first female president of that country, rising from militarism and autocracy. In many ways, the Philippines resembles Chile. Both have seen autocratic leaders come to an end (Marcos in 1986 and Pinochet in 1989), and women presidents rising to power (Cory, of course). Both have presidential, bicameral systems elected by popular voting.

3:41 AM  
Blogger pinoy said...

I really have no problem with communists getting elected. My problem is with the armed struggle that they wage. If a communist gets elected to be our president, prime minister, whatever, then so be it. But to grab power through the barrel of the gun will bring more harm to our people than the promise of a better life to the masses.

Many communists, socialists have taken the path of parliamentary struggle and gained power. Yes, the latest is Italy. There is Chile as mentioned earlier. Venezuela has a socialist president.

As I keep saying in my posts, I voted for Bayan Muna for my support in their participation in the parliamentary struggle. But I would like them to denounce arm struggle/NPA to completely erase the suspicion that they are merely fronts of the communists.

To all supporters of Bayan Muna who have abandoned my posts after making my responses i.e. tonyo, maginoo, migranteng pinoy, teddy casino, anonymous where is your response to my very basic question. If BAYAN MUNA, ABAKPAWIS, GABRIELA, etc are not communist fronts, then why is it that the split in the underground is reflected on the split in the mass movement, the existence of AKBAYAN and SANLAKAS?????

For the longest time, I have been axking this question and nobody has come forward to give a reply. Anyone?

7:57 AM  
Blogger Tonyo said...

pinoy,

"if BAYAN MUNA, ABAKPAWIS, GABRIELA, etc are not communist fronts, then why is it that the split in the underground is reflected on the split in the mass movement, the existence of AKBAYAN and SANLAKAS?????"

i never wanted to answer your question because:

1. your baseless premise that the groups you mentioned are communist fronts should be rejected. this premise was also the assertion of the dismissed rebellion case vs. the batasan 5. it was not and cannot be proven by the government or even the most malicious anti-left groups.

2. there is no split in the mass movement. there is only one mass movement.

3. the last part of your question is full of malice. sa ibang "comments" pages, binibira ang mga national democrats for being "intolerant". pag marami namang nagtutunggaling left and pseudo-left groups, sasabihin ay hati-hati naman ang kaliwa.

pinoy, i hope you are true to what you claim to believe. if you really support bayan muna, condemn each and every murder (or salvaging) of bayan muna members. nearly 90 bayan muna members have been killed for being "leftists" or "members of communist fronts". these extrajudicial killings are premised on the malicious and baseless canard that bayan muna is a "communist front" and thereby not entitled to democratic space and to due process under the law.

huwag nating baligtarin ang daigdig.

8:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pinoy,

This blog was created mainly to generate support for the Batasan 6 and other mass leaders of the ND movement which is facing a life-and-death struggle against the attempt of the fascist GMA regime to erase the movement and its political structures from the political map. I think tonio had mentioned that somewhere in this blog, if I recall rightly it was in one of his replies to lithium. This purpose defines and determines how we would deal with those posts that appear on this blog, whether these be from allies and friends or from political foes. With that purpose in mind, it is our call to tell whether a post is against the grain or not.

So much as we would like to engage you, we don't want to turn this blog into a forum that would undermine that purpose. For now, because the issues confronting the Batasan 6 and other mass leaders of the ND movement transcend ideologies, we are enjoying support coming from a very broad range of the political spectrum and we would like to expand that support rather than constrict ourselves.

That should tell you why we have reservations in answering your questions. Besides the fact that your questions lead to protracted debate which will detain our time, your questions put a wedge on the ND effort to forge a broad unity so that all anti-GMA elements and all other positive forces could better deal with the GMA ruling clique, the common enemy. We consider that effort as the tactical imperative of the moment.

This says nothing that we find your questions as playing into the hands of GMA clique and the AFP which are both trying to pin down the Batasan 6 on the question of renouncing AS. We will not give you that luxury even as you are pretending to be a BM supporter in the last two elections.

8:59 AM  
Anonymous bell said...

tama ka tonyo. Bakit ba ang issue of renouncing armed struggle ay ginawang burden of proof sa balikat ng BM at ibang progresibong party lists para sila'y maging karapat dapat sa ating suporta pero walang pagdemand with the same burden of proof o kaya accountability sa gobyerno at AFP sa kanilang paggamit ng reactionay violence laban sa BM at mga kaalyado nilang organisasyon. Mali ang presentasyon ni pinoy sa isyu. Binaligtad ang mundo na siyang paraan ng AFP para ijustify ang walang habas na patayin ang mga mass lider, coordinator, at organisador ng BM at ibang progresibong party lists at mga sectoral organizations nila o kaya hagisan ng granada ang kanilang mga opisina.

Kaya hindi talaga ako naniniwala na ibinoto ni pinoy ang BM dahil ang daloy ng pag-iisip niya ay parang kay Palparan, hindi ng isang nagkiclaim na BM supporter.

9:16 AM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to tonyo:

your baseless premise that the groups you mentioned are communist fronts should be rejected.

how can it be baseless? please you explain why AKBAYAN and SANLAKAS exist? that is the basis of my premise.

there is no split in the mass movement. there is only one mass movement.

cmon. don't pull my leg. you keep on avoiding my issue. then why do BAYAN MUNA, AKBAYAN and SANLAKAS hold separate rallies, separate press cons, etc. when someone gets hurt or arrested on one side, not a single voice of protest is raised from the other side. THERE IS A SPLIT. if you don't accept that, you need reality check.

the last part of your question is full of malice.

which part? you used the term pseudo left. so what is the true left? and why even use the word pseudo? are you claiming to be the correct "left"?

pinoy, i hope you are true to what you claim to believe.

I really am. I support the parliamentary struggle not the armed struggle.


if you really support bayan muna, condemn each and every murder (or salvaging) of bayan muna members.
how about the akbayan members who were also murdered, killed or salvaged? if there is no split in the open mass movement, why limit your call to the murder of bayan muna members? how about those killed from the other side?

has this blog raised a voice against the arrest of Randy David and Ronald Llamas?


huwag nating baligtarin ang daigdig.

tama ka. at huwag nating iwasan ang isyu. magpakatotoo tayo. THERE IS A SPLIT.

to anonymous:

So much as we would like to engage you, we don't want to turn this blog into a forum that would undermine that purpose.

I really don't know who you are to sound as if you speak for this blog. But let me just remind you that Teddy Casino himself has engaged me on this issue. I did not solicit it from him. He volunteered to comment on a post that I made. So what purpose are you talking about and for whom are you speaking for. You are simply anonymous, Teddy Casino is in the flesh.

That should tell you why we have reservations in answering your questions.

You sound as if you speak for the group. Reservations? Cmon!!! This is the ideal place to discuss this, for the whole world to read. I am raising a very valid question and you say reservation? Are you hiding something? I am very much aware that this blog was created to show to the world about the plight of the persecuted Batasan 6. I have no problem with that. The very first issue I raised here is the very issue of pork barrel and nobody told me that that is not the purpose of this blog. I was all alone in my stand against the pork. I don't mind that for I know where I am coming from. I no longer pushed that issue believing that I have already said my piece. Since Teddy engaged me in a discussion on the armed struggle, I take it as a valid issue on this blog. And now you say you have reservation? Do you speak for the whole ND?

your questions put a wedge on the ND effort to forge a broad unity so that all anti-GMA elements and all other positive forces could better deal with the GMA ruling clique, the common enemy. We consider that effort as the tactical imperative of the moment.

Oh yes, I have read that on the news. That broad alliance that will include SANLAKAS and AKBAYAN. Yes, you do have a common foe now, GMA. After GMA what? You call each other names such as pseudo left, rejectionist, revisionist, reaffirmist, reactionary, etc. whatever you want to call each other.

This says nothing that we find your questions as playing into the hands of GMA clique and the AFP which are both trying to pin down the Batasan 6 on the question of renouncing AS.

Just the simple act of renouncing armed struggle is so hard for this group to do. What is so hard about that? This group is within the parliamentary struggle. So why is it so hard to renounce armed struggle or AS? If you are truly sincere in your participation in the parlaimentary struggle, then make it complete by renouncing armed struggle. Without renouncing armed struggle, you are simply reinforcing the suspicion that you are indeed communist fronts. Don't divert the issue to GMA or AFP. Just ask AKBAYAN. They split from your group because they don't recognize the leadership of CPP-JOMA.

I doubt if the PNP-AFP will be able to pin down the Batasan 6 on the issue of rebellion. Mass leaders are always warned about being careful with actions and statements they make. Being above ground leaders, they must be very careful of their acts as these may be used against them. Teddy knows that. Mike Defensor knows that. Nathaniel Santiago knows that. So I doubt if the PNP/AFP can produce any hard evidence against the Batasan 6 on the rebellion charge.


We will not give you that luxury even as you are pretending to be a BM supporter in the last two elections.

You all doubt my sincerity as a BM supporter. I can live with that. I support the path of parliamentary struggle that BAYAN MUNA and company has engaged in. At the same time, I seek that one day, they will renounce armed struggle by making a public statement on this issue.

to bell:

Bakit ba ang issue of renouncing armed struggle ay ginawang burden of proof sa balikat ng BM at ibang progresibong party lists para sila'y maging karapat dapat sa ating suporta pero walang pagdemand with the same burden of proof o kaya accountability sa gobyerno at AFP sa kanilang paggamit ng reactionay violence laban sa BM at mga kaalyado nilang organisasyon.

Una, kahit ayaw ninyong maniwala, sinusuportahan ko ang BM kahit hindi pa nito hayagang sinasabi na tinatakwil nila ang armadong pakikibaka. Sa paglahok nila sa halalan, umaasa ako na sinsero sila na sa paraan ng balota ay kaya makamit ang pagbabago. na hindi lamang sila nagpapagamit upang itulak ang ibang adhikain tulad ng armadong pakikibaka.

huwag ibalik o ilihis ang isyu sa berdugong AFP. marami na ang bumabatikos sa kanila lalu na sa paglabag sa karapatang pantao.

Kaya hindi talaga ako naniniwala na ibinoto ni pinoy ang BM dahil ang daloy ng pag-iisip niya ay parang kay Palparan, hindi ng isang nagkiclaim na BM supporter.

Sana'y maging bukas ang inyong mga isipan. Dahil sa isang tanong lang o isang hiling, pinagdududahan nyo na ang sinseridad ko. Ok lang yon. Sino nga lang ba naman ako. Pero hwag sana maging makitid ang inyong pag iisip. Iyan ang dahilan kung bakit nagkawatak watak ang nasa kaliwa. Bawal pumuna, bawal buaatikos. Lahat ng direktibang galing sa itaas dapat sundin. Porke't iba ang pananaw ko sa ibang bagay, kaaway na ang turing ninyo sa akin. Pumupuna lang at naghahanap ng kasagutan.

Iisa lang ang hangad nating lahat, isang mapayapa at maunlad na Pilipinas. Ang akin lang, ang patuloy na pag udyok sa ating mga mamamayan sa landas ng armadong pakikibaka ay lalung magpapalugmok sa atin sa kahirapan. Lalung mawawasak ang ating kasalukuyang watak watak na lipunan. Simpleng hiling lang sa BAYAN MUNA, itakwil ang armadong pakikibaka, mahirap bang gawin iyon?

11:43 AM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

Pinoy,

BM and other progressive partylists can not and will not renounce armed struggle because the moment it renounces armed struggle, that will contradict its position of respecting those groups which believe AS is a valid option in an oppressive and exploitative social order.

Now, you say renouncing AS is necessary for BM and other progressive party lists to make a clean breast of the accusation that they are CPP fronts. We don't concede to such march of reasoning because it proceeds from the premises that 1) BM and other progressive party lists are "CPP fronts", and 2) as CPP fronts, they don't have any right to exist. We take exception to the first premise because while BM and other progressive party lists adhere to the concept of national democracy espoused by the CPP, they maintain their organizational integrity from the CPP and part ways with the CPP as to the use of armed struggle. Because of the same espopusal, many are the moments when BM and other progressive party lists come into a conjuncture with the CPP but this conjuncture is arrived at by consensus not through imposition by the CPP.

As to the second premise, we just simply consider that as untenable in a society that pretends to be democratic. To us, it is not worth arguing except for the fact that those who argue for such a position are literally armed to the teeth and have no qualms about translating their position into the arena of action.

The landlords, bourgeois compradors and lackeys of imperialism which rule this country since God knows when have used reactionay and counter-revolutionary violence since God knows when. On the other end of the pole are the Filipino masses which have been at the receiving end of that reactionary and counter-revolutionary violence since God knows when. When Bayan and BM and other progressive party lists strutted into the historical stage at their respective moments of birth, that equation of conflict had long been there. History had already set that conflict not for BM and Bayan to judge or indict or renounce, but rather for Bayan and BM to choose which side they are for. Thus ultimately, it is not you pinoy or bayan or BM which will judge whether AS is correct or not. mdvlea

12:44 PM  
Anonymous bell said...

pinoy,

kung mayroon kang pruweba na ang Bayan, BM, Anakpawis at Gabriela ay mga fronts ng CPP, punta ka sa CIDG at magtestigo ka. Baka ikaw yung hulog ng impyerno na hinihintay nila pagkatapos ng mahabang panahon ng dakdak nila hinggil sa "fronts-fronts" na yan pero hindi nila mapapatunayan. Punta ka Kay Gonzalez (yung Norberto) at may malaki siyang pabuya sa iyo. Pero huwag na huwag kang magsaklob ng kung ano-ano ha na parang Makapili.

12:58 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to johndoe:

such rhetorics. you did not even made mention of AKBAYAN and SANLAKAS (do i need to have them in bold letters for you to see) which I kept saying is the very basis of my premise. why do you people keep on avoiding my issue about SANLAKAS and AKBAYAN???? That is where my premise is and you don't even bother to rebutt my premise. All you have are motherhood statements not worth rebutting. Say something about my premise, then we can move on with our discussion. Lagi nyo kasing nililihis ang usapan.

1:04 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to bell:


kung mayroon kang pruweba na ang Bayan, BM, Anakpawis at Gabriela ay mga fronts ng CPP, punta ka sa CIDG at magtestigo ka. Baka ikaw yung hulog ng impyerno na hinihintay nila pagkatapos ng mahabang panahon ng dakdak nila hinggil sa "fronts-fronts" na yan pero hindi nila mapapatunayan. Punta ka Kay Gonzalez (yung Norberto) at may malaki siyang pabuya sa iyo. Pero huwag na huwag kang magsaklob ng kung ano-ano ha na parang Makapili.

Isa pa ito. Ang batayan ko ng front ay ang pagkakaroon ng AKBAYAN at SANLAKAS na hindi mo rin binanggit sa post mo? Wala akong sinasabing may katibayan ako. Nililihis nyo palagi ang usapan.

1:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't you folks find this a little tiring? It goes round and round with no end in sight. Same, repeating points of view. Same nonsense charges.

Worst of all is Bong's pointless bantering (whoever this person may be). No offense but, he riminds me of a clip I saw about the Jap occupation of the Philippines - one of those people with a paper bag over his head. Well, to be fair, not exactly that, but more of character.

2:05 PM  
Anonymous bell said...

Pinoy,

ewan ko sa iyo. labo mong kausap. Kaya walang nagaganahan na makipagbaliktaktakan sa iyo dahil ang labo mo eh. At wala kaming panahon makipaglaro ng patintero sa yo. Sa pagpamagpag pa lang para iligaw yung buntot namin, kakain na ng dalawang oras tapos pagbukas namin sa blog na ito, yung mga tanong mo ang sasalubong sa aming pagod nang isip.

Yung batayan mo na fronts ang BM at iba pa dahil may Sanlakas at Akbayan, hindi yan titindig sa korte. Si Gonzalez nga na 24 oras nag-iisip paano patayin lahat mga sec general ng BM at iba pang organisasyong masa, hindi ginamit ang ganyang syllogism dahil illogical: A is communist front because B and C exists. Gusto mo bang sabihin na hindi kelanman sumagi sa Norgon yan? Mas matindi ka pa ba kay Norgon?

5:12 PM  
Anonymous bell said...

pinoy,

isa pa: wala ka palang katibayan, bakit pilit mong ipagawa sa BM ang isang bagay na dapat lang gawin ng isang front?

kung kagaya ni Norgon, di mo kayang patunayan na front ang BM at iba pa, tumahimik ka na lang kaya.

5:17 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

tonyo,

I suggest that you also post in the FAQ corner the order of Judge Delorino on her inhibition for the visitors here to read her reply to the accusation of the DOJ that she was biased to the Batasan 6 and her decision was done in undue haste and her media interviews compromised the decision. That intrepid judge of RTC 137 also deserves our support since she is now under attack from the DOJ for doing what is just and right. Kaya suportahan natin siya by spreading her reply to the baseless charges of the "pulpol" DOJ.

Thanks.

5:29 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to bell:

Yung batayan mo na fronts ang BM at iba pa dahil may Sanlakas at Akbayan, hindi yan titindig sa korte.

Sinabi ko bang titindig yun sa korte? Simple lang naman, kung hindi sila front, itakwil nila ang armadong pakikibaka. Sinabi ko na sa nauna kong mga post, walang ebidensya na maipapakita ang PNP/AFP/DOJ dahil sadyang pinag iingat ang mga lider sa hayag na kilusan. Pangha harass ang ginagawa sa kanila ng pamahalaan. Pero hindi iyon ang isyu ko.

Sagutin mo na lang ito. Bakit may AKBAYAN at may SANLAKAS? Wala kahit isa man lang sa inyo ang magtangkang sagutin ito.

di mo kayang patunayan na front ang BM at iba pa, tumahimik ka na lang kaya.

Porke't walang katibayan di na totoo? Alam ni MIke Defensor yan, dati rin syang KM. Alam ko rin yan dahil pinag daanan ko rin yan at marami pang mga dating nakapaloob sa kilusan. Noong nasa kilusang lihim pa ako, trabaho namin ang magbutas ng mga LO. Naiintindihan mo ba yon? Kung hindi, tumahimik ka na lang. Dahil ibig sabihin nun, wala kang nalalaman.

6:23 PM  
Anonymous bell said...

pinoy,

ayan! umamin ka rin na baluktot yang lohika mo na front ang BM dahil may Akbayan at Sanlakas. yang tanong mo hinggil sa bakit hindi maitakwil ng BM ang armadong pakikibaka, nasagot na yan ng mga maraming mga posts dito. Pwede kang magsimula sa post ni hawaiian guy. Straight line ang sagot nila jan hindi kagaya sa iyong position na crooked line kaya hindi magtugma ang batayan at konklusyon (ayon pa sa iyo, wala kang problema sa armadong pakikibaka dahil valid yan pero dahil may problema ka sa liderato, kelangan itakwil ng BM ang armadong pakikibaka).

Bakit may Sanlakas at Akbayan? Hindi ko na pinoproblema yan pinoy. Hindi na rin yan issue para sa akin. Masarap na ang tulog ko at the mere thought na binoto ko ang Anakpawis at ito, kasama ang BM at Gabriela, ay nagpeperform in Congress as what I expect them to do. Makikita naman yan sa kalsada sino ang mass na may movement at sino ang movement na may mass.

LO? Uy, may maraming abbrev na alam si pinoy na hindi ko alam. Kaawa awa naman ako. Kung naghahanap ka dito pinoy ng mga oportunidad na iluluwa ng aming mga bibig ang ebidensya para sa misyon mong pilit ipaglink ang mga LO sa mga UG, mangisda ka na lang sa ibang lawa pinoy.

10:02 PM  
Anonymous Paterno said...

Kung armed struggle po ang basis ng debate, bakit po di natin itanong kung payag rin ang Armed Forces of the Philippines to abandon armed struggle against the Left? Eh, mas malaki silang puwersa, mas mayaman, mas maraming armas; kayang kayang pumatay ng higit sa 500 aktibista. Bakit hindi sila ang mag-renounce ng armed struggle?

Yun pong Costa Rica, walang standing army; binuwag po dahil sa laki ng gulong sinasabog sa bayan.

Eh, di mauna po yung makapangyarihan na magsabi ng prinsipiyo na magiging mapayapa ang tunggalian ng ideya. Di po ba tama ito?

11:45 PM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Folks,

May I butt in? I heard my name, that's why I respond.Pardon me for this rather lengthy piece.

First, the debate hinges on the common thread that goes back to the Romans - "divide and rule." If the enemy is divided, conquering them is easy. That's what GMA has been spinning all along- "the leftists are fronts of the underground," ergo, they are rebels, destablilizers, conspiracists, blah blah blah. In some ways, the tactic also sounds like “stigmatize and then attack.”

Second, I believe BMA and the other party lists have nothing to "renounce" as far as the armed struggle is concerned. “Renouncing,” to which Pinoy earlier provoked the discussion, is a morph which is not in sync with what he later pandered as "denounce." Renounce, according to Webster's (New Lexicon Webster’s Dictionary, 1989), means to "repudiate," (give up a claim), "abandon" (a legal right), "revoke" (change position). The clearest example that comes to mind is "renouncing citizenship," meaning one gives up a current citizenship to become a citizen of another country (in case of conflict of rights).

I think the (leftist or left-leaning) party lists cannot and should not "renounce" the armed struggle for not being earlier part of it, although they may support such a struggle. Of course, one may ask again what’s the meaning of “support,” which is moot at this point.

“Denounce,” continues Webster, is “to announce formally the end of a treaty, agreement,” and also as a “middle ground,” between “censure” (strongest) and “condemnation” (less harsh) of “members for improper conduct.” Since Pinoy would not want BM and other party lists to “condemn” CPP/NPA, would he now want them to denounce this group as if it were a subordinate, or a group gone awry from the path that both BM and NPA subscribe to?

Sorry for this linguistic clarification, it’s just that I’m an academic so I chose this track of reasoning. If people don’t believe in authority like Webster, that’s their choice to make. They can make their own definitions, but make sure these are credible and logical to compete in the market of ideas.

Thirdly, the democratic space has been enlarged since 1987 in recognition of collusion of forces (left, right, center) brought about by EDSA 1. That space allows for political participation even among the so-called "underground." That’s quite clear, I suppose in the 1987 constitution, which was crafted on purpose to restore democracy from the ruins of dictatorship and autocracy. Mind you, it’s the same process that Chile went through after Pinochet tried to do a Marcos in his later years, but the “left” (socialist) was reluctant to join in the beginning for fear that the plebiscite would be rigged.

So, why would this govt under GMA suddenly make a reversal of that democratic commitment? Why would Gonzales and other Malacanang minions relentlessly headbash lefties, “commies,” and oppositionists and the critical media (Tribune, ABS-CBN, etc.), issue CPR, EO 464, and Proc 1017, which the High Court found to be excessive, or abusive, use of power and authority? (SC Chief Justice Panganiban said on Proc 1017: “They are playing with fire, and unless prudently restrained, they may one day wittingly or unwittingly burn down the country….) Why would this govt deny and persecute others for the rights they believe is theirs to enjoy under the constitution?

Fourth, the last ace of GMA to stay in power is cha-cha. Evidently, the “people’s initiative” is not one initiated by the people but by the govt and its coopted or paid lackeys. The CBCP has already issued a statement on this, I would not elaborate on the highly questionable motive of this shady govt to stay in power. Legal precedents and the constitution are also quite clear on this. Malacanang is dreaming that they can overturn the impediments to cha-cha. (“Baka nga naman makalusot.”)

Finally, all these questions against GMA and what she is doing under so-called “rule of law” and “protecting the state” logic have a common denominator. GMA is flagrantly violating the law of the land and is trying every means possible to save herself from perdition. She alone is the problem and is the root of all these ills. Losing the people’s trust, she must GO - that’s the best thing she can do for this country.

If this overarching image of the current politics is still unclear, then what is?

2:56 AM  
Anonymous bell said...

Maraming salamat hawaiianguy sa paglilinaw. Pati ako nalilinawan doon. May kaibhan pala yang "denounce"-"renounce" na yan na sinasambit ni pinoy na para bang kumakain lang siya ng butong pakwan.
Pero bantay ka hawaiianguy. Segurado akong magpalabas din si pinoy ng kanyang sariling webster o thesaurus ba kaya para makalusot at patuloy ang gusto niyang laruin na patintero.

8:44 AM  
Blogger jfi said...

nasa likod nyo lang kami. Young Radicals need a radical changes.

10:32 AM  
Blogger Teddy Casiño said...

Dear Pinoy,

I thought I already made my points clear in my earlier post about the armed struggle. To summarize, as a matter of principle, one cannot simply condemn the armed struggle and render it obsolete in the face of systemic oppression, corruption and plunder. The right to take up arms against an unjust social order is one of the basic tenets of democracy as pointed out even by Thomas Jefferson and the fathers of American democracy.

I respect and would not have the impudence to condemn the armed struggles of the CPP-NPA, MNLF and MILF or, for that matter, the Katipunan, Hukbalahap and the various armed movements against colonial and national oppression all over the world. These mass movements are grounded on perfectly legitimate grievances that the ruling elites have never seriously faced.

Be that as it may, let it be said that my party does not support or espouse armed struggle. Bayan Muna’s platform is crystal clear on the things we stand for, and armed struggle is not one of them. We are engaged in the parliamentary struggle and unless outlawed intend to continue doing so. To expect us to renounce or denounce the armed struggle is illogical and/or superfluous, as Hawaianguy already clarified.

Rather than outright condemnation, the more logical and constructive approach would be to engage these groups in political dialogue for a peaceful resolution of the armed conflict. This is why Bayan Muna has been very adamant in pushing for the peace process and objecting to the government’s militarist approach on the matter.

On the matter of Bayan Muna being a CPP front organization, you keep harping on the existence of Akbayan and Sanlakas as proof of such a relationship, insinuating that their emergence was a mere offshoot of the CPP “split”. If this were the case, it would follow that Akbayan and Sanlakas are also mere front organizations of CPP factions, including KPD, Partido ng Manggagawa and all other splinter groups from the national democratic movement.

The fact is that the Left in the Philippines, despite its various shades and components (e.g. armed and unarmed, aboveground and underground, dem-soc, nat-dem, soc-dem, socialist) is still a relatively close-knit minority. Developments in the underground movement are bound to affect those working in the legal/parliamentary arena and vice versa. The schisms in the Left that happened in the 1990s were the result of objective political developments and prolonged debates in all levels of the Left and affecting the entire Philippine political spectrum. To attribute such an event merely to the CPP’s internal dynamics with the conclusion that we are all “fronts” of this or that faction of the CPP is to oversimplify things.

The AFP says we are a CPP front because our political calls are similar to the CPP’s. If echoing the calls of the revolutionary movement constitutes being a front, then even the Church – which has consistently called for land reform, just wages and environmental protection – can be considered a CPP front as what the ISAFP has done in its “Enemies of the State” Powerpoint CD.

Norberto Gonzales insists that we are a CPP front because we have diverted public funds to the NPA yet he cannot even say how much have been diverted, when, how and by whom. He views with suspicion our penchant to build schools, water systems and health centers in faraway rural communities where there are few votes, saying this has something to do with the NPA when in truth, we are merely bringing government services where they are most needed.

As a final point, may I suggest, Pinoy, that you drop your obsession to red-bait Bayan Muna and other progressive party list organizations. It would do you good to re-channel your energies to more constructive endeavors.

5:05 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

Dear Teddy,

Thank you for the response. What I am about to say, I believe, is no longer new to you.

In 1992, the political conditions has drastically changed as compared to the anti Marcos struggle and many high ranking CPP officers called for a review of strategy. This is what triggered the split. Those who towed the line where called reaffirmists and those who did not were labeled as rejectionist.

There are four party leaders who dissented the party.

Romulo Kintanar, known to have been responsible in the expansion of the NPA, left the movement and was called a counter revolutionary, a traitor, an agent of the government. He was assassinated in 2003 and the NPA claimed responsibility, that was more than a decade after he left the movement. The reaffirmist bloc of the left did not condemn the killing. You said in your 01 February 2003 column on Business World that the NPA had to kill Kintanar unfortunately, the CPP-NPA-NDF is not a state power. It has no regular courts, no jails, no lethal injection facility. Then the only way it can impose capital punishment is by gunning down those convicted of its “People’s Court”. There is no condemnation here. Your statements reflects the stand of the whole reaffirmist block of the Left. The whole rejectionist block condemned the killing. The reaffirmist block refuses to admit the pluralism of the Left. Those who are not reaffirmist are called counter revolutionaries. In your post another thread, you used the word pseudo left. So you claim to be the “true” left which echoes the stand of CPP?

Ricardo Reyes was tagged by Jose Ma. Sison as the one responsible for Kampanyang Ahos. Reyes left the Party due to ideological differences with Sison and company. He helped in the formation of AKBAYAN which was formally launched in 1998. AKBAYAN has no armed component as it has renounced armed struggle.

Popoy Lagman, formerly head of the Metro Manila command of the CPP, split from the Party when he disagreed on the semi feudal analysis and called for insurrection. He formed the Bukluran ng Manggagawang Pilipino which is allied to SANLAKAS. This group has an armed component.

Benjie de Vera, I believe, is allied with AKBAYAN.

On the December 7, 2004 issue of ANG BAYAN, the official organ of the CPP, a diagram was shown where various leftist organizations where labeled as pseudo progressive or pseudo revolutionary. The list includes AKBAYAN, SANLAKAS and its allied organizations. Conveniently, nowhere in the list are BAYAN MUNA, ANAKPAWIS, GABRIELA, KILUSANG MAYO UNO, etc.

The internet is full of resources about the “reaffimist vs. rejectionist” split of the Phiippine left. It is a reality that cannot just be called as oversimplification. Wbich brings me to the armed struggle issue.

BM never condemn acts of atrocities, human rights violations of the NPA. They always defend the position of the NPA in the same manner how you did not condemn the killing of Kintanar and even going to the length of justifying it. The whole rejectionist block condemned the killing while the whole reaffirmist block defended it. It cannot be denied that BM, ANAKPAWIS, GABRIELA, etc. are all part of the reaffirmist side. The NPA has allowed your group to campaign freely in their controlled or influenced territories while the rejectionists were subjected to extortion and harassment. My issue is not to denounce armed struggle per se but to denounce the NPA, its atrocities and human rights violations. This will totally disconnect your group with the underground reaffirmist block of the Left. Without doing so, the two Gonzaleses do have basis in saying that your groups are communist fronts but I doubt if they can produce evidence to prove it.

Has your group engaged the CPP/NPA/NDF in political dialogue for a peaceful resolution of the armed conflict? Nada.

11:31 AM  
Anonymous bell said...

bagyo talaga ito si pinoy. sige pa rin ang red-baiting nya kahit na nahalata na ni teddy na ang pakay niya ay hindi na simpleng "honest search for answers".

Isa lang naman ang gustong sabihin ni pinoy: ang mga grupo o organisasyon na naniniwala ng TRL, PI, at tunay na kalayaan mula sa dominasyon ng USI at ang pagrespeto ng mga organisasyong ito sa pinaniwalaang balidong option ng iba ay walang karapatang mabuhay o iiral dahil ang ganyang paniniwala at pagrespeto ay tanda ng pagka"communist front". Kaya, may pruweba man o wala, tama lang si Gonzalez. Yan lang naman ang paulit ulit na mensahe ni pinoy.

Walang saysay sa kanya yung mga sinasabi nila ni Thomas Jefferson hinggil sa tunay na esensya ng demokrasya. Kahit isubo mo pa yun sa kanyang mukha, ang importante sa kanya ay tugisin ang BM at ibang progresibong PLs hanggang sa dulo ng daigidig dahil mga "communist fronts". Sa totoo lang, si pinoy ay HINDI kabahagi sa buong political at ideological apparatus ng repression ng estado.

Malinaw yan pinoy ha. HINDI ka kabahagi sa buong ideological at political apparatus ng repression ng estado. Kaya, huwag kang mag-alburoto dyan.

1:57 PM  
Anonymous bell said...

kung analisahin natin mabuti yang huling post ni pinoy, hindi malayo sa affidavit ni Veronica Tabara at Jaime Fuentes na silang mga principal witness sa bagong information na ipinayl ng DOJ laban sa Batasan 6. Kulang na lang nyan sumpa sa harap ng abogado.

2:03 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to bell:

sori but your post is not worth arguing with. i don't argue with emotions. rebutt my statements tehn i'll have something to say.

7:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pinoy has a good point.
These whatever you call them has blood in their hands. How dare they tell people to stop military atrocities while them in their own backyard they have atrocities on their own. Joma Sison is one coward guy. Why not face Gen Palparan and slug it out with him and let him find out who is the real guy.

Or I know, he is scared to go back as there are remnants of former NPA's that will be so happy to get his hands on him.

I would not trust a leader like him. He is a long distance killer. He is comparable to Marcos that ordered a lot of killings. This is why the NPA is making so much fuzz nowadays as they are running out of financial support.

7:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally, these guys have found their match. I salute you PINOY for enlightening us on some of the issues hounding these seemingly invincible organization. As in any organization of man, there will always be differences. That is the nature of man. Each man is unique and guided by his own intelligence and conscience.

Killing or LIQUIDATING those who disobey or reject SISONs idealogy is very INHUMAN and animalistic.


More power to you PINOY.

8:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to anonymous that praises Pinoy:

"Killing or LIQUIDATING those who disobey or reject SISONs idealogy is very INHUMAN and animalistic."

in the same logic presented, is the catholic church inhuman and animalistic during the inquisition period? where people are baselessly accused of being a heretic are condemned, physically harassed, tortured, and burned at stake, what do you called that "incident"?

beside the point of blaming to sison, it isn't that it was Ric reyes et all who orchestrated the purging of baselessly accused DPA's? tanong mo kay Pinoy yan, sya ang may aral eh... sabi nya dati syang myembro ng KM... alam nya yan, nasa IDKP yan.

further, what do you call the strafing, hamleting etc by the AFP of areas suspected of MILF or NPA's strong hold? can you call it humane? what do call the wanton borbardment of civilian rural populace in mindanao by howitzers and helicopter gunships? can you put that in terms with the UN conventions in the conduct of war?

At least the NPA asked forgiveness to the victims of purgings, at least the NPA rectified... and most of all the perpetrators of the purgings (kampanyang ahos) are being persecuted... I still have to hear from the AFP asking for apologies on their "mistakes" and crimes against the unarmed civilians.

8:30 AM  
Blogger ptz821 said...

to pinoy:

"Has your group engaged the CPP/NPA/NDF in political dialogue for a peaceful resolution of the armed conflict? Nada."

As far as I can recall from INQ7, Rep Ocampo headed the congressional delegation to The Netherlands for a dialogue with the NDF Peace Panel with the main purpose of re-establishing the suspended peace talks between the GRP and NDFP.

And as far as I can recall from news clips from other media sources, it is GRP's refusal to commit to the agreed CARHIHL and the establishment of Joint Monitoring committee that hinders the progress of monitoring, prosecution etc of the HR violations of both sides. As of last press release I've read, it's AFP that has several hundreds HR violations submitted to the JOINT Monitoring Committee. If indeed there are violations of HR then CARHIHL is the best solution to stop the violations... the problem is it's the GRP that refuses to honor the agreement. The call is to honor CARHIHL and let the wheel of justice roll. This run with Paterno's blog, eliminate the armed violence between the 2 sides and let reasons, ideology, and whatever, run free then may be we will have a chance for a just and lasting peace... the problem is hindi makatayo sa debate ang defenders ng present system.

Pinoy, as you have said, there are several sites available for informations.

Pinoy para mapa simple ang usapan, look at east timor... the people took arms to defend their rights for independence, UN see's that as their natural rights, kaya in my opinion BM or the BAYAN block has nothing to denounce or renounce anything about AS. why don't you see it that way? Kailangan ba nating buhayin si T. Jeferson para mag lecture sa atin tungkol sa natural rights?

Sa pagkaka-alam ko ang tunggalian between BM and Akbayan or Sanlakas ay ideological, anong problema mo doon? BM and the rest of BAYAN block co-exist with Akbayan and Sanlakas... the issue between them is longevity, reach, and program...

Split? Yes, i think there is... ano ngayon? wala na bang puwang sayo ang political or ideological tolerance? Kung magtawagan man sila ng kung anu-anong tawagan eh ano ngayon? Para namang hindi mo alam ang split between orthodox catholic, roman catholic, protestants, shi'te muslims, Kurds muslims etc? akala ko ba maaral ka sa mga bagay na ganyan? bat ang simpleng difference di mo matanggap?

ang problema sa argument mo at ng mga anonymous na supporter mo ay "intolerance"...

9:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To anonymous:

Common Ric Reyes without the blessing of Joma Sison. You are pulling my leg hahahahaha.....

Military..howitzers...eh ang burning of buses ng npa..
Both sides are equal sa mga atrocities nila, violence is violence period. No ifs and buts..

Hindi yan pantayan ng violence. Both sides are guilty. Ang hirap sa inyo you guys do not renounce violence.

Kung gusto nyong ipaglaban ang sinasabi nyong ,masa, irenounce nyo ang violence ng NPA para makita ng gobyerno na sinsero kayo, para kayo hindi mapagbintangan na ginagamit ang pork barrel para ichannel sa NPA.
Kaya tuloy nag aalburuto ang mga NPA ngayon panay ang pasabog ng GLOBE TELECOMS tower dahil wala nang mahuthot na tax sa mga tao.

I renounce violence at lalo na sa pagtigok sa mga militanteng leader or leftist leaders. Pero paano kayo nakakasigurado na military ang may pakana nito? Sino ba ang makikinabang, ang mga destabilizers o ang military. Sa ngayon lahat na ata naibato kay presidente, pati kubeta naibato na. Halos lahat ng mitsa sisindihan na para mapatalsik sa pwesto si presidente.

Ang kailangan ng mga destabilizers ngayon ay isang mitsa para sumabog o mag alsa ang mga tao. What a coincidence...

Sino ang makikinabang kaya? Oh di ba mga intelektwal kayo sagutin nyo?

Pinoy salamat sa mga punto mo.
Tangna, pag si sison ang naupo maawa kayo sa sarili nyo.

11:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"As far as I can recall from INQ7, Rep Ocampo headed the congressional delegation to The Netherlands for a dialogue with the NDF Peace Panel with the main purpose of re-establishing the suspended peace talks between the GRP and NDFP."

Nandooon ka ba? Malay ko kung ano ang pinag usapan. Ewan ko wala ako tiwala sa mga yan.
Salamat.

11:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sige nga debate ni Mike Defensor at ni Teddy. Televised ha para mapanood ng mga masa. Para makita na talaga kung sino ang credible.

Sige unang tanong na lang, do you renounce violence done by NPA and MILITARY? (YES and NO lang ang sagot. Wala nang paligoy ligoy.

Ano kaya sagot ang magiging sagot nilang dalawa? Ako alam ko sagot ni Mike. hehehe

11:22 AM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to ptc_publicwindow:

Rep Ocampo headed the congressional delegation to The Netherlands for a dialogue with the NDF Peace Panel

That was in Rep Ocampo's capacity as member of the house. My challenge is for their group to take the initiative itself.

it is GRP's refusal to commit to the agreed CARHIHL and the establishment of Joint Monitoring committee that hinders the progress of monitoring

I am not in the position to debate on this issue. I don't know the facts and how facts are interpreted will always be affected by ones biases. Teddy raised the issue of belligerency in another topic. He said the government cannot stop a revolution in this last 37 years and will not even give this group tha belligerency status. I countered his argument by saying it has been 37 years that this revolution is being waged and the NPA cannot even reached a strategic stalemate stage. The Maoist rebels in Nepal have been in existence for just 10 years and they are able to achieve some level of military capabality not even achieved by the NPA in its 37 years of existence.

Pinoy para mapa simple ang usapan, look at east timor... the people took arms to defend their rights for independence, UN see's that as their natural rights, kaya in my opinion BM or the BAYAN block has nothing to denounce or renounce anything about AS.

Indepence is a totally different issue.

My call for BM, BAYAN and reaffirmist groups to renounce or denounce armed struggle is for the purpose of dissociationg themselves from the underground reaffirmist group.

As I said in another post, armed struggle is a necessary evil for an oppressed people but this armed struggle being waged by the reaffirmist group or even the rejectionist armed group is intellectually inspired. It is not really the poor who is waging or leading this revolt. They are just being used by intellectuals living comfortable lives. But that is not my issue now. My greater issue is to remove that "communist front" label to these above ground reffirmists. A step into that direction is by renouncing or denouncing armed struggle.

Sa pagkaka-alam ko ang tunggalian between BM and Akbayan or Sanlakas ay ideological, anong problema mo doon?

I really have no problem with pluralism of the left. By citing these various leftist groups is the simplest way for me to show to those who are not in the know that the developments in the underground dictates the development above ground. That the emergence of a reaffirmist group underground led to a reaffirmist group aboveground. I have cited instances where these two groups cooperated/supported each other in relation to their relationship with the rejectionist group.

Deep in our hearts us who were and/or still are in the movement, we all know that all these reaffirmist above ground groups are indeed operating in parallel with the reaffirmist undergound group. Unfortunately, it is the underground group that sets the policies, strategies and campaigns waged by the above ground. And the above ground will never admit that they are merely tools of the underground to gain political power through the barrel of the gun.


Split? Yes, i think there is... ano ngayon? wala na bang puwang sayo ang political or ideological tolerance?

Again, I am simply using this split as a proof of the connection between the underground and above ground organization. A reason why the above ground group cannot renounce/denounce armed struggle. Because in doing so, they totally dissociate themselves with their underground counterpart.

ang problema sa argument mo at ng mga anonymous na supporter mo ay "intolerance"...

It is the reaffirmist intolerance that led to the killing of Rolly Kintanar, Mabilangan, Balweg, Tabara and maybe even that of Ka Popoy Lagman. It is the reaffirmist group that has shown intolerance when they labeled all rejectionist groups as pseudo progressive or pseudo revolutionary in the Dec. 2004 Ang Bayna issue. It is reaffirmist gorup that cannot tolerate intolerance.

11:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HAAAAAY WALAY BATASAN 6, NAKALAYA NA NAMAN. MATAMA-AN SANA NANG KIDLAT PARA MABAWASAN NA ANG MGA LEADER NANG CPP/NPA/NDF.

8:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The enemies of the administration stand to gain more from the seedbed of violence because it tends to further their ‘advocacy’ to destabilize the administration and remove President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo from power.

Period and period.

11:26 AM  
Blogger monumento said...

I cannot denounce nor renounce NDF, MNLF, MILF, etc. modes of struggles; since am not a member of any of these groups.

I pay taxes and contribute to different revenue and tax-colecting bodies in behalf of the Republic of the Philippines, among others; BoC, PPA, BIR, LGU or in the city that i reside, SEC, DENR. I earned all the right to denounce the foul plays, armed attacks by GMA's government on poor peasants, the workers, and activists-studes.

I would do the same, denounce any government that fails to live to the expectations of its citizens, whether by the NDF, MILF, MNLF!

Last elections,i campaigned and voted Bayan Muna, etc. and Etta's group- the Akbayan.I found no contradictions whatsoever in my views.

Maaring, they both differ in methodologies, but I would have any one or all of these groups to gather all the seats in Congress, compared to the likes of JdVes, Nograleses, Pichays, etc.

Kaya para sa akin, yung mga tao na gustong i-denounce ng Batasan 6 ang armed struggle to achieve political goals are barking on the wrong tree.

They must first denounce their own government's methods of survival; e.g. killing dissenters, bastardazing institutions, openly bribing bishops and generals, before criticizing other groups.

I have no problem if they opt to criticize Bayan Muna, Gabriela, etc. if they have legit gripes- say, non performance of duties, perpetual absenteeism, plundering of state funds, etc. But to single out progressive groups on the basis of not denouncing other political groups, however armed, is simply a display of selective amnesia,if not stupidity.

I have often encountered activists in my existence tending to a family business, and i have NOT heard of them saying that legit businesses are to be confiscated if they will be in power.

I am not a communist, but can live with them comfortably. I can even live side by side with fellow businesspeople out to make profit; with rightists-if only they know what is being one, but its difficult to live comfortably in the midst of cheats, liars and hypocrites, especially the last.

Batasan 6 represents different groups and advocacies, and they were elected on a national basis, unlike the trapos who found their way in Congress mainly, or alternately through guns, goons,and gold. If they ever have the chance to govern this country, and i hope they will, and do Marcosian, GMA's or to that of Stalin to perpetuate themselves in power at the expense of the majority, you bet, I will be the first to cry foul and denounce their government.

Meanwhile, my protest is addressed to GMA's illegitimate rule and use of state machineries and institutions to sow fear and stifle dissent among the people. This I cannot tolerate and should not be allowed by any well-meaning Pinoys.

Kaya pinoy (the blogger), do search yourself once more.

To Batasan 6, may you have the best of health and survive this madness. Thank you.

11:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mabuhay ka Pinoy!

May you serve as the conscience of the Bayan Muna, so they will know how to separate themselves from the patently evil deeds of the Supreme High Kahuna, Joma Sison.

12:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ngayon dahil sa "Oplan Bushfire", dapat matakot din kayong Batasan 5 dahil puwede kayong mapatumba ni Joma Sison kahit anong oras kapag nakakahalata na siya na gusto niyo nang tumiwalag sa kanya.

Wala na kayong kawala sa kanya!

Hawak na niya ang buhay ninyo!

8:24 AM  
Blogger goddess_of_the_chase said...

monumento,

you don't need to be a member of those groups you cited to be able to denounce armed struggle.

Mr Casino,

Where in the Constitution is this "right to take up arms against an unjust social order"?

It's not there is it? For the same reason that the Revised Penal Code precisely penalizes rebellion and insurrection because the "right" you cited is prone to abuse by any one with the slightest imagined wrongs against the government.

You of all people, being a member of the lawmaking body, should be aware of this and should not be condoning this clear violation of the law by the NPA.

And please, stop identifying the CPP-NPA et al with the Katipunan or the Hukbalahap. The latter were heroes. Your NPA pals are mere bandits.

3:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

goddess of the chase;

Yeah, you are right. My point in the main, however, is for Batasan 6 CRITICS to ask themselves: do i criticize GMA's illegitimate rule in the same level of passion as i hit Batasan 6? Because if you cannot answer this in the affirmative, it would be difficult to discuss issues with you.
I'll get back to you the moment you have an answer. (monumento)

7:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hay naku, maingay na ang bayan dahil sa mga salbahing makakaliwa. dapat kay ocampo at yung sinasabing batasan 6 daw ay dapat ibitin ng patuwad at dahandahang ipakain sa buwaya. sila ang sumisira sa ating lipunan. buwagin ang komunismo, ang npa, sa pinas! ikulong ang si ocampo at mga alipuris! sagabal sila sa pag-unlad ng bayan.

7:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yung makakaliwa, yung mga npa, yung mga komunista ay magnanakaw sa mga kanayunan. punta kayo sa malalalayong lugar at malalaman ninyo na sila ay magnanakaw. sila ay pumapatay sa mga taong kawawa dahil lang sa maliit na pagkakakamali. nakakaawa naman yung maghihirap sa kabundukan. natatakot sila sa mga npa. kung hindi sila makabayad ng buwis sa npa o makapagbigay sa mga hinihingi sa kanila, binabalaan sila na patayin. ganyan ba ang gusto nilang mangyari sa bayan? takutin, pahirapan at patayin? ikaw ko kung bakit ganyan ang nasa utak ng mga npa, mga komunista, mga makakaliwa at sina ocampo, casino, ka roger at iba pang devil leftists

7:35 PM  
Blogger Tonyo said...

"Anonymous" din yung mga naka-bonnet na nakasakay sa motorsiklo na bumabaril sa mga aktibista. Kawawa naman ang mga kaanak ng mahigit 750 na pinapatay ng mga "anonymous" na mamamatay-tao.

Nakakatakot ang mga "anonymous" na biglaan na namang nagpost dito sa Batasan 6 blog. Gusto nila i-barbeque si Satur -- isang taong wala namang kasalanan. Pinaparatangan ng ilang ulit at sinisiraan -- pero di naman mapatunayan. Ang totoo, siguro ay takot sila sa pulitika ni Satur. Ano nga ba ang pulitika ni Satur?

Bagong Pulitika, Pulitika ng Pagbabago. Kinakatakot ito ng mga detractors o maninirang puri ni Satur dahil sila ang mga matagal nang umaagrabyado sa mga Pinoy. Ayaw nila si Satur kasi takot sila sa tunay na demokrasya at iba pang nais ihatid ng Bayan Muna.

Di mapipigilan ang pagsikat ng araw, ika nga. Matatapos din ang dilim. Puwedeng ang "anonymous" ngayon ay malalantad din bukas. Ang mikrobyong tulad ng mga naninira kay Satur at sa Bayan Muna ay maagnas sa ilalim ng sikat ng araw.

1:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

si tonyo ay isang miktrobyo rin tulad ng makakaliwa at ni satur at ang kayang makademonyong mga kasama. siguro hindi nila nakikita pa ang epekto ng kanila prinsipyo. pumunta ka tonyo sa mga malalayong lugar na dati noon ay tahimik at ngayon ay supergulo na dahil sa mga npa at komunista. sila ay magnananakaw at mga bandido. yan ba ang demokrasya na ipinaglalaban nila? tonyo wag ka masayadong maprinsipyo, prinsipyong bulok, ngunit magtrabaho na lang kayo para sa pamilya mo at sa bayan. masayado na kayong maiiingay sa lansangan ngunit hindi na rin kayo pinapansin ng mga tao. akala kasi ninyo purke maiingay kayo, kayo ang nag-iiisip ng tama para sa bayan. diyan kayo mali. gusto nming mga ordinaryong mammayan ay katahimikan at kaunlaran. tapos na ang martial law, wala na si marcos at estrada, kaya dapat magtrabaho na at umunlad. ang pinaglalaban ninyo ay hindi bagong pulitika kundi isang bulok ng prinsipyo rin.

3:34 AM  
Blogger Tonyo said...

Wala ng pangalan na gustong ibigay, wala pang bagong masabi ang "anonymous" kundi yun pa rin: muhi, galit, at walang patumanggang kasinungalingan.

Para sa mga "anonymous": Tama na ang gulo! Manahimik na kayo! Kayo ang mga tunay na peste, mga salot! Kaya hindi umuunlad ang bayan ay dahil sa mga tulad niyo! Wala kayong pinag-iba talaga sa mga death squads!

1:41 PM  
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