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Wednesday, April 19, 2006

 

Why we’re still here

Despite the lifting of Presidential Proclamation 1017, the crackdown against us and the legal Left in general remains real. To go around the rigid requirements of the law on the matter of arrests, the Philippine National Police (PNP) and Department of Justice (DOJ) are peddling the legal fiction (an outright lie, actually) that the five of us are already under arrest in the House and that if we leave the Batasan grounds, we will simply be “re-arrested” for escaping from detention. This is unconstitutional, illegal and preposterous, to say the least.

House Resolution 1069 is clear: we are not under arrest. We are accorded protective custody by the House to ensure that our constitutional right to due process is respected. This means, among others, the right to undergo preliminary investigation before a case is filed in court and a warrant of arrest is issued. For the record, we are NOT invoking parliamentary immunity from arrest nor asking for any special treatment. All we want is to be accorded rights every Filipino should enjoy. That Congress has to pass a resolution to ensure that its members are accorded these basic rights is a testament to how such rights are being violated with impunity by the Arroyo regime.

The PNP and DOJ are bent on desecrating these rights guaranteed in the Constitution, our laws and the rules of court. They want us arrested on trumped up charges of rebellion even if probable cause has yet to be established. Worse, our members are being killed and abducted in much the same way. This is pure POLITICAL HARRASSMENT AND PERSECUTION.

If we leave the House now and allow ourselves to be arrested, then we become a party to the violation of our own rights and to our own persecution. It is neither honorable, brave nor wise to grant Pres. Arroyo and her hawks that pleasure. If they can do this to duly elected members of Congress, then they will certainly do it to ordinary citizens. Allowing such an atrocity will also deny our constituents their right to representation in Congress.

Thus, we are taking all steps possible – including filing several motions at the DOJ, Court of Appeals and Supreme Court – to stop this madness.

To sum it up, our continued stay in the Batasan is an ACT OF DEFIANCE against a regime that wants to annihilate us. We are not afraid of arrest and are ready to face all the charges against us. What we will never allow is the wanton violation of our right to due process and the continued persecution of our parties and organizations.

88 Comments:

Anonymous johndoe said...

uunahan na kita pinoy at mga barkda mo. hulaan ko na magpost kayo dito:

a. hinggil na naman sa pork barrel.

b. hinggil na naman sa komunsmo.

k. bombahin na ang buong pilipinas para wala ng gulo!

d. maging kagaya ng rwanda ang pilipinas.

e. na ang mundo ay parisukat ayon sa bibiliya c. 16the century.

hala post na kayo pinoy para maging relevant kayo mga pro-Gloria.

4:58 AM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

sorry ka satur. mali-mali spelling. antok na kasi ako.

bibliya iyan at saka c. 16th century.

5:01 AM  
Blogger ptz821 said...

why is batasan 5 is still there?
simply because there's still someone in malacanang that's not supposedto be there!

7:03 AM  
Blogger pinoy said...

isa lang ang tanong ko. sa pagtanggap ninyo ng pork barrel, kinain na rin ba kayo ng sistema?

7:26 AM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Ted and others,

Don't lose hope.

GMA's end is near. Her clock of self-destruction has started ticking.

8:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ito rin tanong ko kay Pinoy.

ng makialam ba si Cardinal Sin, kinain na rin ba sya ng sistema?

ng maging congressman ba c joker arroyo kinain na rin ba sya ng sistema...

sabihin ko sayo sinong kinain ng sistema... ng si mike defensor sumampa sa panig ni gma hindi sya kinain ng sistema, nilamon sya.

ang kinain ng sistema ang mga katulad mo na nanahimik sa isang tabi, nangangantyaw sa mga aktibista, walng simpatya sa sambayanang lugmok at ipinagbubunye ang sistema ng opresyon, pandaraya, kasinungalingan, korapsyon, pagsamba sa mga dayuhan.

11:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Casino:

Your letter is very confusing and inconsistent, if not
preposteours and ludicruous.

1. As a member of Congress, your job is to write bills
and pass laws. The enforcement of the laws you have
passed and all the laws that have passed before you
were elected in Congress is in the executive branch of
our government, which is headed by the President of
the Philippines. The branch who will interpret the law
is the judiciary. Your case will be tried by the
judiciary branch.

2. You are choosing the laws that favor you. It does
not work that way.

3. If you are a law abiding citizen, you must abide
by all the laws of the country, not one or two, that
work to your advantage.

4. The laws in our country is fair and just,
otherwise, it would not have passed through congress
or we would not have been invited in the community of
nations, like the United Nations. The Philippines is a
member of the United Nations, meaning that our laws
are fair and just. For many years, the People's
Republic of China was not a member of the United
Nations because their laws were not accepted as fair
and just by the United Nations.

4. The government and any democratic government has a
right to defend itself, just like any citizen. The
government can be sued and it can also sue.

In your case, you are now being sued by the Republic
of the Philippines. The Department of Justice may be
the agency of the Republic of the Philippines which
represents the government in cases of sedition.

You as the defendant must get your own lawyer. You are
not yet guilty. YOU are only being accused.

But there seems to be a law in our country which gives
the PNP the right to arrest a person charge with
sedition, even before preliminary investigation has
begun, as you have written. (I doubt however that
there was no preliminary investigation on the part of
the government, the accuser.) The law states that You
must be arrested. If you are a law abiding citizen,
you must allow yourself to be arrested, just like
those before you. Sen. Enrile and ex Sen. Maceda were
arrested and were in prison for a short time.

I presume you now have a lawyer? While in prison, your
lawyer will make proper representations for you, and
hopefully will get you out of prison while an
investigation is going on.

During the trial, the Dept of Justice will have to
present evidence and you will have to disprove such
evidence. You can not disprove the evidence by sending
emails to all Filipinos. You must present your
evidence in the courts of law. If I stand by you, the
government may accused me for your conspirator. And I
don't think I will personally want to be involved in
your case.

5. You wrote about "going around the rigid
requirements of the law"? These words just show that
you need to get yourself a lawyer and you let him
speak for you. But, Yes, the law is rigid, it is hard,
otherwise, it will not be a law.

6. You are accusing the PNP and the Dept of Justice
are "going around the law". Well, that is another case
which you have to prove yourself. You can sue them
"for going around the law". But that is completely
another matter which to me has no bearing to your
present case.

7. Under the law, you can NOT free yourself from a
crime, by accusing your opponent of committing a
similar crime.

In your argument, I read three cases:
Case 1. You are being accuse for a crime of sedition.
Case 2. You are accusing your accusers (the PNP and
the Depart of Justice) of going around the law.
Case 3: You are accusing the PNP and the DOJ of
depriving you of your constitutional right to
protective custody by Congress.

Case 1. Get yourself a lawyer to defend you of the
crime of sedition. If they're lying, you need to prove
that they are.
Case 2. Get yourself a lawyer to sue the PNP and the
DOJ. Be sure to work with your lawyer so you can have
solid evidence against the PNP and the DOJ.
Case 3. Get yourself a lawyer and read the
constitution again and sue the PNP and the DOJ. "You
have not been arrested but enjoying this
constitutional right to protective custody by
Congress. That Congress has the right to defend a
member who is accused of sedition."

Bear in mind, that in a democracy, the burden of proof
is in the accusers. So, if you said that you didn't
commit any crime, you have no fear as the PNP and the
DOJ can present no evidence against you. In the last 3
cases, you are the accuser, so the burden of proof is
on your side.

Have you read the constitution of the Philippines? The
laws that are hurled against you should be in the
constitution as sedition is a BIG CRIME - CRIME
AGAINST THE STATE. You have rights but the government
also has rights. You have a right to defend yourself,
and the government has the right to defend itself,
too. Both the government and you DO NOT HAVE right to
step on each other's rights.

The government is suing you for the crime of sedition.
This is the right of government not to be destroyed.
It means that the government has the evidence to prove
that you have stepped on the right of the government
not to be destroyed.

You have rights, yes - the right to defend yourself -
that you have not stepped on the right of the
government - that you have not done anything to
destroy the government. The crime to destroy the
government is called sedition.

If it is not yet clear, let me give an example.

There is a law that states that a woman can not be
forced to engage in sex. If she is forced to engage in
sex, the man who forced her to engage in sex has
stepped on her right not to be forced to engage in
sex. This crime is called rape. A woman now claims
that you raped her. Since she is the accuser, she must
carry the burden of proof. She shows to the court
enough evidence that she has been raped. The court has
decided that there is a crime of rape being committed.
The court assigns a judge, the judge sets a schedule
for trial. The rape victim, who is the accuser here,
will be represented by her lawyer. In the court, the
rape victim's lawyer will present the evidence of a
right being violated. The accused will listen as the
accuser present her evidence. The accused has a right
- the right to defend himself that he did not step on
the woman's right not to forced to engage in sex. The
accused's lawyer will also present an evidence that
the accused has not violated the right of the accuser.

Mr. Casino, change the rape for sedition. And that is
what is happening in your case.

You also wrote about your Constitutional Right. Well,
this is Case 4. You sue the government for violating
your constitutional right. Again, the burden of proof
is in your hands.

You have discussed 4 cases. Each one is independent of
another. Each case can not be used to prove your own
innocence of the crime of sedition, the crime the
government is accusing you of.

In my humble opinion, after reading your letter, I
believe, you all 5? have been arrested by Congress.
Congress is just using a cosmetic word "protective
custody". Congress is part of government. But I would
leave those terms to lawyers.

Mr. Casino, please, surrender to the authorities. Have
your day in the courts. We will listen to your 4
cases. We want to know that you indeed have not
steppened on the right of our government and on the
rights of our authorities to enforce the law.

Thank you.

12:12 PM  
Anonymous constantflux said...

to the last anonymous poster:

i wish you were more open-minded in reading teddy's blog entry.

true, the government has all the right to charge all law violators, but political dissent cannot be classified as a crime. it is also foolish to equate political dissent and forging alliances as a conspiracy.

what is the status of the cases you are mentioning? i suppose you know that preliminary investigation is ongoing. it is according to due process that no arrest or surrender should be expected while this preliminary investigation is ongoing. the batasan 5 should be applauded for showing all of us that the government has no right to short-circuit the system just so they could hail dissenters to jail.

indeed, why "surrender" and why use the word "surrender" in the first place? have they been convicted of any crime as to imply that they are fugitives? No. A big fat NO.

that the doj is short-circuiting the process is a matter integral to the case at bar. for how can there be a fair dispensation of justice when the doj -- mandated to render impartial investigation -- had already prejudged the batasan 6, appointed a panel of prosecutors to do the preliminary investigation on the batasan 5 that are the same ones prosecuting rep. beltran, and, for entertaining three questionable complaints.

under normal circumstances, any citizen would not fear false charges. but these are not normal times. mrs. arroyo proclaimed a flase state of emergency, undertook warrantless arrests and prejudged as guilty all those arrested or deemed arrested. under such circumstances, the batasan 5 are justified in seeking protective custody against warrantless arrest and to ensure that the arroyo government would follow the demands of due process.

if the gma government is confident that its evidence against the batasan 5 is strong, why undertake warrantless arrest? why file three separate complaints but fail to satisfy all the procedural requirements?

besides, the mere filing of the fabricated complaints by the pnp cannot be equated with the filing of court cases. the reason for having preliminary investigation is to ferret out the truth about the complaints and take away from the judiciary the burden of taking on a trumped-up case. indeed, no one has the right to file invented charges against another person or persons.

in this vein, your closing plea for the batasan 5 to "surrender" and to face the charges thus fails to muster reason and logic.

i would rather ask the government to stop its acts of political vendetta against the batasan 6, drop the false charges against them, and allow free debate on the political front. if the government insists on charging the batasan 6, i challenge the government to go through the judicial process and respect the accused rights to due process under law.

12:46 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

para kay anonymous na nag comment sa post ko:

una, hindi ikaw ang tinatanong ko. bakit ikaw ang sumasagot para sa kanila.

pangalawa, wala kang karapatang sabihing "mga katulad mo na nanahimik sa isang tabi, nangangantyaw sa mga aktibista, walng simpatya sa sambayanang lugmok at ipinagbubunye ang sistema ng opresyon, pandaraya, kasinungalingan, korapsyon, pagsamba sa mga dayuhan." hindi ako kaaway. nagtatanong lang.

1:00 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

ano raw sabi nyang pa-english english na nagpost ng mahabang comments na puno ng syllogistic premises na puno ng illogical conclusions? Trying hard talaga siya makuha attention ninyo. Bigyan nyo nga yan kape para matauhan.

At ikaw naman pinoy, di ba sabi ko sa iyo na magpost ng irrelevant comments hinggil sa pork barrel sa article ni teddy? Masunurin ka talagang batas. Pwede ka ba mautusan bumili ng suka sandali?

2:04 PM  
Anonymous LITHIUM222 said...

Quote:
"It is neither honorable, brave nor wise to grant Pres. Arroyo and her hawks that pleasure."

Well, I am very happy indeed that Congressman Teddy Casino is acknowledging GMA as 'President Arroyo'. Therefore, he shares the concept of Arroyo's presidency, with the same recognition by all countries of the world that Arroyo is indeed the President of the Republic of the Philippines.

2:09 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

Ano ba ibig sabihin nyang "if you are a law abiding citizen, you must abide all the laws. . . . . blah blah blah!Di ko maintindihan dahil verbose, superfluous, ang premise is its own conclusion. Ang tali-talino talaga tingnan ng tao ano pag nag-english!

2:10 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

aha, nandito ka lithium ha! aha!

2:14 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

hangga't di sinasagot ang tanong ko, uulit ulitin ko......

noon tinututulan nyo ang pork barrel noong wala pa kayo sa kongreso. ngayong nasa pwesto na kayo, tumatanggap na rin kayo nito. bakit hindi ninyo ito matanggiham? nakakasilaw ba yung P300 milyon para sa anim na party list members ninyo? kung pagbabago ang hangad ninyo, dito kayo magsimula. kayo ang dapat maging halimbawa. kaso nilamon na rin kayo ng sistema. nagagawa nga naman ng pera at kapangyarihan.

2:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Satur, Teddy and everyone!
This is a most unusual yet brilliant way to communicate. Our thoughts and solidarity are with you, and we will continue to monitor your situation there.

Elizabeth Wong, Malaysia

5:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DEAR COMMANDER SATUR et. al,
MAGANDA ANG MAY PORK BARREL NA 300 MILLION ANO? SA-AN BA GINAMIT ANG MILLIONES NA YAN? SANA GINAWA NANG MGA HOUSING PROJECTS SA MGA PINOY NA PULUBI HINDI BINILI NANG ARMAS PARA SA MGA COMMUNISTA NA NPA PANLABAN SA ATING MGA KAWAL KAPWA PINOY.TAXPAYERS MONEY PA NAMAN YAN AT SA OFW. KA SATUR ALAM SA BU-ONG MUNDO, PERA ANG BOTTOM LINE SA PAG KUKUNWARI NINYO. PATAYAN KAPWA PINOY ANG GINAWA MO SA BUONG BAYAN. GINAMIT ANG SARILI MO PAKUNWARI PRO-POOR, KAGAYA NI ERAP, PERO KINURAKOT ANG PERA SA SAMBAYANAN.

8:04 PM  
Blogger ptz821 said...

Pinoy,

lighter side muna tayo. kasama mo ba yung professor sa english? aba'y dapat sinanguni ka muna bago sya nagpost, mas may dating pa samin yang mga argumento mo na kahit papaano nakakapag stimulate sa amin para sagutin mga tanong mo.

anyway, eka nga ni johndoe, bakit ka naman nagpost ng tungkolsa prok barrel? hindi ka ba nasagot nung isang anonymous? okey hindi ka kalaban, nasan ka?
gitna? kaliwa? kanan? san ka ba talaga papanig? sa palagay ko nasagot na ng anonymous yung tanong mo?

pasintabi po, pakisagot yung tanong ni anonymous. para tuloy tuloy ang debate.

nakapost to sa kabila, please read

"let the commission on audit speaks in the liquidation of Batasan6's pork. as far as the record will show, every single cent is accounted for.

the issue is the same as "ang mga aktibista dakdak lang ng dakdak sa kalsada di na lang sumali sa debate sa kamara."
Now that the parliamentarians of the street are actually inside the congress you're accusing us of double standard.

you want the pork barrel be scrapped? then propose a law or whatever that the prerequisite for candidacy of any elected position is to first and foremost a candidate's waiver not to received a single centavo of pork. tell that to your congressman first."

baka sabihin mo sinagot ko ung tanong mo para kina teddy et al.
relak lang, wag mainip, nagpromise sila na sasagutin yang tanong mo ha? relak, see a movie (or read again what prof english has wrote, ako sa totoo lang muntik ng mabuwal sa pagbasa), wag ka ma ten... baka ka ma stroke.. mababawasan ang ka debate namin, ayaw rin namin yun.

9:15 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to ptc_publicwindow:

hindi ko isyu kung saan ginamit yung pork barrel. kung napunta ito sa underground o ipinagpatayo ng ospital, ibang usapin yon. ang isyu ko, tinututulan nila ang pork barrel noong wala pa sila sa kongreso. ngayong nakaupo na sila, nagpapakasasa na sila dito.

kung pagbabago ang hangad nila, magsimula sila sa mga sarili at paninindigan nila. huwag nilang tanggapin ang pork barrel at magpanukala sila ng batas para lubusan na itong maibasura.

nilamon na sila ng sistema.

11:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tama ka pinoy!

ka satur, pareng teddy, sabihin po ninyo sa gobyerno na hindi po ninyo kailangan ang pork barrel dahil against po kayo diyan. sabihin po ninyong i-donate na lang po ang inyong share sa mga lugar na sinalanta ng mga NPA's.

pede ba yon pinoy? or payag ba kayo manong satur at pareng teddy?

1:53 AM  
Anonymous john gabriel said...

pinoy na ugaling hindi pinoy:

eh ano ba talaga pakay mo? mang-asar sa pagfifeeling mo na intelektwal ka?

kung hindi ka ba naman engot ano?

para sa kaalaman ng lahat: ang linya ni "pinoy" na "ang isyu ko, tinututulan nila ang pork barrel noong wala pa sila sa kongreso. ngayong nakaupo na sila, nagpapakasasa na sila dito" ay linya na komun sa mga tulad ng PDSP, Aksyon Sambayanan at mismo ilang mga alipores ng Malacañang.

Ang satsat ni pinoy hinggil sa pork barrel ay tiyak na may punto. ngunit di nya kayang ibato ang tanong na ito sa mga kongresistang panot, pulpol at kurakot na di hamak na daan-daan kaysa sa Batasan 6.

At dahil daan-daang mga trapo ang nasa Kongreso, ang patutsada ni pinoy na magpanukala ng batas na magbabasura ng pork barrel ay isang exercise in futility dahil dudurugin ang ganitong bill sa committee on rules pa lamang...

ang burden of explaining the merits and demerits of pork barrel rests in those with ghost projects, corruption scandals and major immorality issues and sexcapades. walang ganyan sa batasan 6.

kay pinoy: magpakita ng tunay na kulay --> pro Gloria ka ba? anti-Left ka ba? o tao na nagpapanggap lang talaga na inosenteng intelektwal na bayaran ng Malacanang?

2:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mahirap kasing baka balat sibuyas naman kayo. Hay salamat may sumagot ng maayos o magtanong ng maayos.

EH yun pala nabigyan na kayo ng HOUSE protection eh ano pang gusto nyo. GUSTO NYO ATA idrop na lang ang rebellion case at palitan si gloria. Hindi naman ata yan pwede na walang laban sa korte.
Tulad na lang nyan na na-aprubahan ang NATIONAL ID SYSTEM ng korte suprema, ano ang daing nyo ngayon? dinaya ng korte o may bias ang korte. Oh nakita si Gloria na nakipagmeeting sa mga judges at tinawagan si justice pangani.


Sawang sawa na ako sa puro INAAPI kami, ibagsak ang DIKTADURYANG ARROYO, PABAGSAKAIN ANG MGA AMERIKANO, NAGDURUSA ANG PILIPINO DAHIL KAY GLORIA, lahat kayo ang sisi nyo sa GOBYERNO, parang hindi kayo kasama sa gobyerno.

Hoy kung kayong ay mga estudyante nag-aaral, sikaping nyong maging congressman para maiboto kayo at mabago kung sa anong sistema ang gusto nyo.

HINDI LANG KAYO ANG NAG-IISIP na MAPABUTI ANG BAYAN. Maraming pilipino dyan na nag susumikap araw araw, nagbabanat ng buto para mabuhay, hindi umasa sa ibang tao na mapapabuti ang buhay. Ang kailangan nating mga pilipino ay magtulungan at hindi maghilahan.

TUTA ni ARROYO. pakawala ni arroyo. sawang sawa na ako.

2:04 AM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to john gabriel:

hindi ko kinukulit yung ibang party list tungkol sa pork barrel dahil hindi naman sila ang ibinoto ko. kinukulit ko ang BAYAN MUNA dahil sila ang ibinoto ko. siguro hindi naman mahirap maintindihan yon. hindi porke't ibinoto ko sila, aayunan ko na lahat ng gagawin nila. malaki ang inaasahan ko sa kanila lalu na sa pagbabago ng lipunang hanap natin. ngayon, kung magpapalamon sila sa sistema, sana hindi ko na lang sila ibinoto. akala ko may prinsipyo silang mga tao pero yun pala pera pera lang ang katapat nila. masamang bang maghanap nang paliwanag bilang isan botante na bumoto sa kanila.

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Palitan na lang natin na "BAYAD MUNA" kaysa naman "BAYAN MUNA" kase inuuna naman ang sarili kaysa sa bayan...harharhar

11:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sa anonymous na sawang-sawa na ang moda sa buhay:

magpatiwakal ka na lang. mas marami ang magiging happy!

1:10 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

Publicwindow:

Professor pala sa English yung anonymous na nagpost ng mahabang comments na puno ng illogical premises at fallacious conclusions? Yung nag-advise kay Teddy na “surrender to the authorities”. Hindi yata ah. Professsor sa English ba yun? Basahin mo nga ulit comments niya. Kung ako ang nagsulat noon, hindi ko ipost yun. Nakakahiya with a capital N.

Ako nga segurado akong, eka pa ni Ka Paeng, wala ring paki yun, walang alam! Seguradong segurado ako nyan!Walang binatbat yun. Sabi nya, kinasuhan daw sila Teddy ng sedition. Wala talagang alam, nakmukha lang matalino dahil pa-inglis inglis. Sedition ba ang kaso ng Batasan6?

May discourse pa siya hinggil sa membership ng United Nations. Segurado akong wala rin siyang alam doon. Tayong alam natin na ang membership ng UN o community of nations ay nakabatay hindi sa kung fair and just ba ang mga batas ng isang bansa kundi sa politics ng mga tinatawag na superpowers, natatawa na lang.

Ginigiit nya na ang protective custody daw na iniextend ng House sa Batasan 6 ay aresto. Segurado akong hindi rin nya nabasa ang journal ng House of Representatives kung saan tatlong beses sa iba’t-ibang okasyon nililinaw ng mga kongresistang kasamahan nila Teddy, pati na mga kongresista na kapural ni Gloria (Villafuerte, Arthur Defensor, Nograles, at pati si JDV mismo) na hindi arestado ang Batasan6. At lalong segurado ako na hindi niya nabasa ang House Resolution No. 1169 kung saan malinaw na walang pag-aresto doon. At seguradong segurado ako na walang alam yun na ang House is in the best position to interpret its acts than the executive. Kahit yung judiciary, sa panahong idulog sa kanila ang pag-interpret ng batas, must bow to the “intent of the legislative”.

Segurado akong nagpost yun dito na hindi man lang muna binasa ang ibang entry ng blog na to kung saan matagal ng nasasagot doon yung iba pang mga punto na niraise nya.

Sa totoo lang, sa kanyang pagngakngak nang walang factual na batayan dahil ngakngak lang siya na hindi muna nagbasa at nakialam, siya ang nagmukhang preposterous na hindi kayang pagtakpan ng ungrammatical english.

Ok lang naman sana mag-english basta we don’t mistake the medium for the substance.

Kaya, teddy o Batasan6, huwag kayong maniwala sa banong iyon. Don’t ever surrender!

3:21 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

isa ka pa lithium. Isa ka pang bano kung mag-interpret ng article. Hindi porke't tinatawag ni teddy na presidente si Gloria, e inaacknowledge na niya na legitimate na presidente si Gloria. Basahin mo yung buong sentence at ang buong article kung may makita ka bang kahit pahiwatig doon na inaacknowledge na ng Batasan6 na legitimate president si Gloria. Kahit yung sentence na yun na iniexcerpt mo is expressed in a negative sense ("It is neither honorable, brave nor wise to grant Pres. Arroyo and her hawks that pleasure.") Ang pag-address ng isang tao sa putative title ng isang tao ay hindi nangangahulugan na inaacnowledge niya yung title. Iba yung pag-address at pag-acknowledge. Huwag mong baluktotin ang sinabi ni teddy by extracting the word president out of the whole article. Hindi uubra sa amin yung ganyan na pamamaluktot dahil kaming mga aktibista, nagsisimula kami sa proposition that "the whole determines the parts."

pero, maiba naman, mukhang may editor ka na lithium ah.

3:39 PM  
Blogger ptz821 said...

johndoe

prof un! pro(o)f un ng kapalpakan!
saka delikadong basahin ulit eh... baka malaglag na naman ako sa kinauupuan ko.

7:55 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

publicwindow:

Nalaglag ka sa kinuupuan mo? Ibig sabihin, hindi lang funny. Hilarious ba?

8:39 PM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Johndoe at Publicwindow,

Alam ninyo, may napuna ako dun sa style ng writing nung anonymous na yun at si Lithium666 (na lagi nagpapalit ng numero) ay pareho. At yung logic nila ay katulad din kay Pinoy at Noli, na kunwari ay makabayan (binoto daw ni Pinoy ang Bayan Muna) tapos panay ang tanong sa pork barrel na parang sirang plaka. (Wa sila kuyape? Maayo pa maghilom na lang sila diha, di pa mabisto ang ilang sayop. Mag ala Noli de Castro na lang, no talk, no mistake, hehehehe!)

Ano ba ang tawag sa ganitong tao? Pro-Gloria at anti-Left? Pro-Gloria at anti(sometimes pro) Left? Pro-Gloria, pro-people, but anti-Left? Hmmm. ang hirap yata i reconcile yun. Labo kasi eh. Pag malabo ang kategorisasyon, labo din ang pag-iisip dahil paiba-iba. (Confused identity is also related to confused thinking.)

Isa lang ang dapat ipakita. Huwag yung balimbing at hunyango (o kaya yung eternally mutating identity) na pagkatao. Pwede pa sigurong paniwalaan yung iba diyan. Na bomoto kay Gloria nun, tapos bumaliktad ngayon dahil sa nakita nilang imoralidad na pamamalakad ni GMA (halimbawa, yung Hayatt 10, Pimentel, Drilon, atbp). Mas hanga pa nga ako dun sa mga consistently pro-GMA na tulad nila Atienza, Andaya, Nograles, Gonzales, atbp. Kasi, right or wrong, sa wrong side pa rin sila!

9:56 PM  
Anonymous mgabatasang_utot said...

To the batasan6:
You are still there.. because you are cowards!!! period.. Read the 7th post and understand the clear explanation.. nakapasimple..

Im sure that majority if not all Filipinos condemn the works of the NPAs.. so if you guys are not guilty edi ipag sigawan nyo sa buong pilipinas na kinocondemn nyo rin ang NPA.

2:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hindi ako sawa sa buhay. sawa na anko sa inyo hehehe.. puro angal ng angal para kayong mga puti na angal ng angal. magbanat kayo ng buto para umasenso, hindi iasa sa isang organisasyon ang buong buhay nyo.

Sa mga taga supporter ng batasan 6, dakdak kayo ng dakdak sa kalye, ano ba ang ginagawa nyo para matulungan ang gobyerno?

Ang magkalat sa kalye, mag cause ng traffic etc..OO alam ko maraming nagawa ang batasan 6 para tulungan kayo pero hindi ito sapat na dahilan para umangal kayo ng umangal. minsan naman maging constructive kayo, yan ang kulang sa inyo.

Halos lahat ng presidente minartsahan nyo. tititgil lang kayo pag isa sa inyo ang maupo, pero kung ano ang tinanim sya ring aanihin dahil merong mga dating nyong kasama na hindi sumasangayaon sa pagtanggap nyo ng pork barrel tulad ng isang anonymous friend nyo na sinabi na nilamon na daw kayo ng systema.

6:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pinoy, narinig mo itong sinabi ng isa ring anonymous?

npa ka pala nun ha? patay kang bata ka, hahahaha!

at dito naman kay anonymouse, bakit mo naman nasabi na minsan daw ay maging constructive din ang batasan6? hindi ba masasabi nating constructive criticism itong talakayan na ito?

tao nga naman. kala mo sila lang ang may ari ng mga words at sila lang ang pwede magpaliwanag kung ano ang kahulugan nito.

nagtatanong lang po.

6:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

para kay batasang_utot,

hay naku! wala ng magawang magaling taong ito. ganyan talaga pag bangkarote na ang isip. utot na lang utot. para naman masabi na ngsasalita din siya, kahit sa puwit niya lumalabas. hehehehe!

7:07 AM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

tama yang hinala mo hawaiianguy. Isang tao lang yun. Iisa ang writing sytle nila na ang categorya ay uncreative writing. Iisa din ang tema nila. Community of nations daw blah blah blah.

Makuyapan lang tinuod ta. Parang tunay na may alam sa international law.

8:03 AM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

to mgabatasan_utot aka lithium:

binasa namin yang 7th post na yan. Napakasimple nga dahil puno ng fallacy of oversimplification. Walang kwenta. Period.

8:10 AM  
Blogger Tonyo said...

Is it a sin or a crime to be an activist or to criticize the government? No. Genuine democracies actually encourage free expression of the people, including protests.

It is not the fault of the Left if the status quo is so rotten to the core, reprehensible and full of sh*t.

The problem with the status quo is that it spreads the patently false notion that protests are detrimental to progress, a hindrance to growth. The fact is, criticisms and protests are important so as to determine the weaknesses and problems of the system so that changes could be made for the benefit of the people.

To illustrate: Bayan Muna detests and aspires to replace traditional politics with the New Politics of principles and platform. It exposes and opposes a leadership that is beholden to foreign powers and local elites, and very oppressive and unresponsive to the common people. In its stead, it wants parties like itself, Gabriela and Anakpawis that run for public office on the basis of a clear political program, is devoid of connection with Big Business interests and champions the cause of the marginalized and underrepresented.

Another illustration: Bayan Muna is against the foreign-dominated oil industry, including but not limited to the deregulation policy that allows the foreign cartel to control prices. In its stead, Bayan Muna seeks a national petroleum industry controlled by Filipinos. This includes centralized procurement from the cheapest possible sources of oil, regulation of oil prices, and the national (not foreign) development of new fuel sources such as biofuel and cocodiesel. These two new fuels may really be our next hope to supply our needs, but the full benefits may not be tapped if the development, ownership and marketing of the products would again be given to the same companies that exploit Malampaya to their own selfish ends.

I am not at all amused by the self-serving remarks of "commuters" who bamboozle protesters with pleas and plaints about rallies. We are a nation not of "commuters" but of citizens. If the "commuters" would not want to join a rally, they are free to go on with their lives. But to insist on a stop to rallies just to make the lives of "commuters" easy is too selfish to bear.

I was waiting for one "commuter" to raise a howl about oil prices and how the foreign cartel are overpricing their products, how fast these firms raise prices, or how slow or measly the price rollbacks. I was perhaps waiting in vain.In reality, though, commuters themselves are an oppressed and exploited lot -- made to bear high fuel prices, high fares, unhealthy air, kotong cops, bad roads, and a traffic system incompatible to a metropolis the size of Metro Manila.

But may I add that the traffic jams arising from rallies and demonstrations could be prevented or minimized. Yes, its true. But only if the government would approve all rally permit applications and, having been informed of the mass actions, undertake rerouting of vehicle flow. Sinasadya naman yata ng gobyerno na magkagulo ang traffic sa kalye para mairita ang commuters laban sa mga demonstrador.

Ang punto ko pang isa, ang kaaway ng commuter at rallyista ay iisa: buktot at pesteng gobyerno.

5:12 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

"Ang punto ko pang isa, ang kaaway ng commuter at rallyista ay iisa: buktot at pesteng gobyerno. "

Sino, paano at anong gobyerno ang ipapalit mo sa buktot at pesteng gobyerno ngayon?

8:51 PM  
Blogger Tonyo said...

nice question, "pinoy".

in the immediate, bayan muna and its allies have consistently proposed a civilian, multipartisan ang multisectoral transition council to replace arroyo. the council will implement a program of reforms, including revamping the comelec and calling for clean elections. you could browse past statements at www.bayanmuna.net about this transition council proposal.

in the long run, however, more drastic changes are needed. we already know how rotten the system has become and how (violently) resistant it has become to ideas of change. serious steps are needed.

firstly, the marginalized and underrepresented sectors -- which actually form the majority in the country -- should be able to form more political parties in order to compete with the elitist parties. bayan muna, anakpawis and gabriela are the forerunners in the quest for a new brand of politics.

secondly, the nation should unite behind a political, economic, social, diplomatic and cultural program of government. personally, i want and i think the nation needs a government that is patriotic and truly democratic. what we have now is colonial-minded and elitist. we need to democratize the nation's wealth by implementing genuine agrarian reform. genuine agrarian reform was an integral step towards progress by all countries. we cannot content ourselves with the sham carp. hand in hand with genuine agrarian reform, the SMEs and filipino businesses could lead the industrialization efforts. we should nationalize the most vital and most strategic industries like power, petroleum, chemicals, mining and others. unfortunately, these strategic industries have been put under the control of alien interests. thus, our interests for national industrialization are not at all served. again, there are stuff on www.bayanmuna.net on its program of government which may interest you.

thirdly, the form. if and when people's parties become dominant, the form would truly become a secondary issue. the dominance of principled and platform-based parties of the people would necessitate replacing the elitist structures of government. perhaps a parliamentary form would be truly suitable if and when such kind of political parties dominate the electoral arena. at the rate politicians change and form parties and the similarity of the current parties' platforms, parliamentarism at this time would only make traditional politics take a turn for the worse.

fourthly, we need a change in outlook as a people. we need more patriotism and a far stronger hold on the ideals of liberty and democracy. we should shakeoff the misinformation about certain ideas and be open to them. we should discard fanatical anti-communism and anti-leftism which are the beliefs of intolerant fascists. including those who murder and massacre "communists" and "communist sympathizers". we should remember our history as a people, especially our forebears who dreamed of a prosperous, democratic and free philippines. we need a change in outlook because the predominant outlook is defeatist, fatalist, colonial-minded, rabidly anti-left and anti-history.

In sum, we need a patriotic and democratic government. Democratic not just in form, but in substance. Truly free from alien control and interference. Self-reliant while at the same time, an active member in the community of nation. A government that inspires the people because they compose it, they are behind it, and they are served by it.

10:18 PM  
Blogger ptz821 said...

to anonymous (bat kasi ayaw pakilala!)

"hindi ako sawa sa buhay. sawa na anko sa inyo hehehe.. puro angal ng angal para kayong mga puti na angal ng angal. magbanat kayo ng buto para umasenso, hindi iasa sa isang organisasyon ang buong buhay nyo."

okey isa kang empleyado no? ako rin! 30% tinatax ng gubyerno nung nandyan ako sa Pnas... okei lang, give to cesar kumbaga... umalis ako sa trabaho ko dyan kasi di na kasya ang sweldo sa 4 na bibig na dapat paka-inin, bihisan, paaralin, bigyan ng matutulugan. ngayon pang 2x ko na to na mag OFW... tinatax pa rin! akala ko nga hindi na eh... pero sympre may tax ang remittance services, may tax ang mag-impok sa bangko, ang sakit!!! kala ko bagong bayani kame, bagong gatasan pala! baka nakalimutan mo hindi lang mga aktibista ang umaangal, ako rin, kame ring mga OFW, ikaw din.

yes, ikaw din... unconsciously... ikaw tinatax (sandali nasan ka ba? Pnas or abroad din... irrelevant na pala, kahit sang dako k ng mundo basta may ginagastos ka sa Pnas, tinatax ka na.) di ba? ngayon, saan mo pinapaaral mga anak mo? sa public ba? syempre ayaw mo dun... siksikan eh, walang libro, walang training ang titser, walang cr. saan ka nagpapagamot or konsulta? syempre hindi sa PGH or Provincial hospital or lalo ng hindi sa health center, walang gamot at walang doktor at wala na ring nars! (kasi maliit sweldo). saan ka nagdadrive papuntang batangas or pampangga or cavite? syempre sa expressway, (may bayad! may vat! sa kapiranggot na haba ng kalsada!)tatawid ka ng tulay sa aurora, quezon, maguindanao province magdadalawang isip ka kung gagamitin mo ung tulay or hindi dahil lima at sira na. mag eroplano ka kaya... nakupo, pati ba naman runway walang ilaw sa gabi... anong ilaw ba yung nasa runway... kandila? ang punto, san napunta ang tax mo? remember 30% yun kung nasa Pnas ka? excutive ka ba sa Pnas? ahhhh mas lalong mataas ang tax syo dahil nasa upper bracket ka, o baka naman tax evader ka? HINDI KA PA BA MAGREREKLAMO NYAN! ANAK NG PATUKA, san napunta ang binabayad mong tax?

"Sa mga taga supporter ng batasan 6, dakdak kayo ng dakdak sa kalye, ano ba ang ginagawa nyo para matulungan ang gobyerno?"

sa gubyernong hindi mapaglingkuran ang kagaya mong tax payer talagang WALA kundi ang ipamukha sa kanila ang nararapat para sa yo. PARA SA TAUMBAYAN LALO NA PARA SAYO NA DAPAT PINAKIKINABANGAN ANG TAX NA BAYAD MO SA GUBYERNO, eto ang ginagawa ng batasan6 at ng kanilang mga supporter, ANG MAGPAKAMATAY PARA SAYO!

"Ang magkalat sa kalye, mag cause ng traffic etc..OO alam ko maraming nagawa ang batasan 6 para tulungan kayo pero hindi ito sapat na dahilan para umangal kayo ng umangal. minsan naman maging constructive kayo, yan ang kulang sa inyo."

REFER TO ABOVE!!!

"Halos lahat ng presidente minartsahan nyo. tititgil lang kayo pag isa sa inyo ang maupo, pero kung ano ang tinanim sya ring aanihin dahil merong mga dating nyong kasama na hindi sumasangayaon sa pagtanggap nyo ng pork barrel tulad ng isang anonymous friend nyo na sinabi na nilamon na daw kayo ng systema."

Cge nga ikaw ang magbigay analysis kung anong klaseng pamamalakad meron tayo sa nagdaang 60 taon.

magbigay ka ng pahayag kung anong merong lipunan tayo ngayon. ikaw ang magpaliwanag bakit walang mga produktong pinoy na electronics, makinarya at kemikal

ikaw nga ang magbigay paliwanag kung bakit ganito pa rin tayo ngayon mula pa noong panahon ng pagsakop ng amerikano.

bakit di mo tanungin sarili mo kung anong nangyari bakit tayo nagkaganito. baka sagutin mo ng: kasi mula noon kontra kayo ng kontra! NAMANNNNN NAMAAANNNNN... yan ba ang pinakamahusay mong paliwanag? ano tong logic mo na to "anung nauna? itlog o manok?"

eh bakit ang FRANCE (nabalitaan mo ba ung mga student-aktibista at unyon sa france ng ilang linggo pa lang ang nakakaraan, di sila pumayag na magkaroon ng 2 year probation period ang mga new grads s mga unang trabahao nila) na napapalibutan ng UNYONISMO at AKTIBISMO ay maunlad, bakit ang HOLLAND, FINLAND, SWEDEN atbpang bansang europeo ay MAUNLAD sa kabila ng 95% ng mga pabrika, opisina, traders ay may unyon, sa kabila ng lahat ng kanilang mga malalaking univeristy ay may mga AKTIBISTA. Bakit ang korea, ang japan, at ang taiwan sa kabila ng pagkakaroon ng mga AKTIBISTANG LEGISLATOR ay MAUUNLAD.

IPALIWANAG MO! wag kang magbigay ng kuro na walang basehan!

Nag-aral ka ba? ha? Hindi ko pinagmamalaki ang pinagaralan ko, ang pinagmamalaki ko, alam ko ang dahilan kung bakit kame (mga supporter) nagdadadakdak! pinagmamalaki ko (namin) na alam namin kung ano ang suliranin ng lipunan natin at alam namin kung ano ang dapat gawin. IKAW ANONG ALTERNATIB MO NA KAYA MONG IPALIWANAG SA AMIN? PALIWANAG MO!!!nandito lang kame magbabasa at sa sang-ayon sayo kapag nag bigay ka ng magandang alternatib baka nga ipaliwanag pa namin kina ka satur yan eh, makikipag debate rin ako kina ka satur sampu ng kanyang matitikas na defender dito sa blog magbigay ka lang ng paliwanag sa amin kung anong nararapat gawin para umunlad ang bayan natin.

MAGSURI (MAG-ANALYZE) ka nga!!!

ps... sorry to international readers for my tagalog if you don't fully understand my argument, we know many Filipino overseas born are reading and tracking down the debates. we hope somebody will translate our arguments for your full understanding and enlightenment on the issue of BATASAN6.

12:12 AM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to tonyo:

"bayan muna and its allies have consistently proposed a civilian, multipartisan ang multisectoral transition council to replace arroyo. "

can you identify which allies? do you consider akbayan and sanlakas to ba allies? they are calling for the same thing to replace arroyo.

"bayan muna, anakpawis and gabriela are the forerunners in the quest for a new brand of politics."

again, where will akbayan and sanlakas come into the picture?

"the nation should unite behind a political, economic, social, diplomatic and cultural program of government."

now, that is one motherhood statement. the left cannot even get its act together at this stage. how do you think that unity can be achieved? partisan interest, above all, is what prevails.

"the dominance of principled and platform-based parties of the people would necessitate replacing the elitist structures of government."

this I will agree with you 100%.

"we need more patriotism and a far stronger hold on the ideals of liberty and democracy."

this i will agree with you 200%!!!!

"we should discard fanatical anti-communism and anti-leftism which are the beliefs of intolerant fascists."

now that is the problem of the left. they engage the status quo, it is but normal for the status quo preserve itself by propaganda, misinformation and even violence.

"we need a change in outlook because the predominant outlook is defeatist, fatalist, colonial-minded, rabidly anti-left and anti-history."

and how will you do that?

"we need a patriotic and democratic government."

that's what we all want. how to get there is why we fight amongst ourselves.

8:05 AM  
Anonymous LITHIUM222 said...

To Tonyo,

I am reading your posts and find it more informative than others (obviously their only talent is to carry plackard and shout in the steets).

I had previously posted several questions in vain, hope you can clear a thing or two:

1. Do you acknowledge GMA as President of the Philippines?

2. What is your stand regarding the NPA's 'intensified' attacks against the military? Do you have plans (or similar blogs) to castigate them for 'terrorizing' the Philippines?

3. What specific brand of democracy are you espousing?

4. Are you a communist?

3:50 PM  
Blogger Tonyo said...

Dear lithium222:

Thanks for the queries.

1. Do you acknowledge GMA as President of the Philippines?

GMA is the "de facto" President of the Philippines, no doubt about it.

2. What is your stand regarding the NPA's 'intensified' attacks against the military? Do you have plans (or similar blogs) to castigate them for 'terrorizing' the Philippines?

The NPA activities prove an ongoing armed conflict in the country. It is disputable that what they are doing are terrorist acts. I personally think that they are committing the political offense called rebellion. Imputing that they are terrorists or common criminals is to criminalize the political offense of rebellion.

3. What specific brand of democracy are you espousing?

The genuine, authentic one. By that, I mean the Philippines would be better off if we have both formal and substantive democracy. Ok, let's have an elected legislature, an independent judiciary and a powerful executive. But let the majority of our people who are workers, farmers, urban poor, professionals and SMEs dominate the positions of power, and let this majority be the focus and endgoal of government policies.

4. Are you a communist?

No. I am a national democrat.

6:38 PM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Tonyo,

I sense that you're very humble in posting answers here. In fact, you're one of the most sober mortals I've seen in this blog.

As a budding academic, I still grope for answers to some of my own queries. I know those terms like "communism," "leftism," etc. are broad categories which may not jibe with some realities in daily life. While I'm open to communism/socialism as a topic, based on those general, abstract ideas of Marx and Engels (or recent ideologues branded as neo- or post-Marxists, modern socialists, etc.), I'm repulsed by the thought of how those abstractions are put into reality by idealists-turned realists (e.g., Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc.). Wondering if Joma's thought is still fixed on the type of ideology he started decades ago, and whether the cause of so-called "leftists" (like the party list reps) is in sync with the old, ideal notion, or is now pursuing an entirely different track.

If you are not comfortable discussing such matters in this blog, please email me some of your thoughts on the aspirations and practices of these "demonized" party lists, especially the organization where you are part.

Just one little question. By recognizing Gloria as de facto president, you mean as a consequence of so-called Edsa2? or of the highly anomalous 2004 elections?

2:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to ptz_publicwindow

Ang hindi ko gusto ay ang ngawa kayo ng ngawa na wala naman kayong ginagawa. Oh kung meron kayong ginagawa wag magputok ang iyong butse.
Action speaks louder than words dre.

Sa mga bansa mong ibinangit, walang problem sa mga iyon dahil ang kanilang pag ngawa ay inaayon nila sa batas nila.

Hindi tulad sa pilipinas ang ang mga ngumangawa ay may bahid na kagustuhang ibagsak ang gobyerno na sila mismo ay kaparte.

60 taon ang sabi mo. Mali ka dre, panahon ni macapagal bako pumalit si marcos maganda ang katayuan ng pilipinas.Noong dumating si marcos, nagkaloko-loko na.

Noong pumalit si Cory, ano ang nangyari. Ngawa din kayo.
Pumalit si ramos, ngawa din kayo.
Pumalit si estrada,ngawa din kayo.
Ngayong si macapagal na, ngawa din kayo sa EVAT. O nakuha ba ng pagiisip mo na nakatulong ang evat in the long term?

Nakuha nyo rin ba na dahil may pondo na ang gobyerno na may punakalang batas na bawasan ang tax sa mga low income workers.

Wala akong tutol sa inyong pag ngawa ang ayokong ngawa ay ang ngawa lang kayo ng ngawa na wala namang ginagawa bagkus ba ay nakakaperwisyo pa sa iba.

Ang hiling ko lang be constructive sa inyong pag ngawa.

4:37 AM  
Blogger ptz821 said...

To anonymous:

"60 taon ang sabi mo. Mali ka dre, panahon ni macapagal bako pumalit si marcos maganda ang katayuan ng pilipinas.Noong dumating si marcos, nagkaloko-loko na."

okey, bago si macapagal, sinong presidente? kundi ako nagkakamali si Garcia.

At kung di ulit ako nagkakamali, si Garcia ang may policy ng "Filipino first Policy". Sya ang presidente na may "balls" para sabihin sa buong mundo na ang Pilipinas ay mayroong "import substitution policy". Ibig sabihin may mga pabrika/produkto tayo na kayang tumapat sa produktong imported lalo na produktong industrial gaya ng bakal, produktong commercial gaya ng electronics, picture tubes, radio, etc, mayrun tayong produktong agriikultural na sapat at pede pang i-export. dito mo makikita sa point ng history natin na dito ang period na may pasimulang (starting)industrialization na nagaganap.agree ka ba?

dahil sa sulsol ng mga amerikanong negosyante na gustong lamunin ang market share ng philippine market mula sa mga industrialist at kapitalistang pinoy. ang mas pinaboran nilang suportahan ay ang kandidatura ni macapagal bilang presidente.

ng dumating si macapagal, dahil din sa supporta ng mga amerikano, dito na nagmulang mawala ang share ng mga pinoy sa mismong market natin dahil pinapasok ng imported na produkto ang market dahil sa policy ni Mcapagal na "De-Control". Ang "de-control" policy ay syang lolo ng term na "deregulation at privitization" sa panahon ni cory, ramos, estrada at gloria.

"Medyo" tama ka na sa panahon ni macapagal ay "maunlad" tayo, pero hindi mo binanggit n nagsisimula ng bumaba ang per capita income ng mga pinoy kumpara sa panahon ni garcia. Eto ay dahil sa policy na "Filipino first Policy" na minana nya kay Garcia na pinalitan naman nya ng policy na "de-control". Aba syempre, marameng nawalan ng trabaho, dahil nagsara or nagbawas ng mga manggagawa ang mga kapitalista-industrialistang pinoy dahil sa competition galing sa imported, dagdagan mo pa ng notion or colonial mentality ng pinoy na kapag sinabing imported ay mas matibay, mas maganda etc. Anong aasahan mo sa ganung panahon na marameng nawalan ng trabaho? Idagdag mo rin ang patuloy na kawalan ng lupa ng mga magsasaka sa kanayunan. syempre, gulo? kagaya ngayon, o di ba walang pinagkaiba at mas malala pa tayo ngayon.

Enter Ferdinand Marcos. Nanalo ng first term si Makoy on the premise or "promise" of "re-Nationalization" or "Filipinism" kontra ke macapagal noon na ni-ra-rali na ng mga tao dahil wala ng mga trabaho. syempre panalao si makoy dahil sa pangakong trabaho, lupa, negosyo. and the rest is history.

"Ang hindi ko gusto ay ang ngawa kayo ng ngawa na wala naman kayong ginagawa. Oh kung meron kayong ginagawa wag magputok ang iyong butse.
Action speaks louder than words dre."

sino ang batasan6? tignan mo nga ang rekord sa house kung ilang panukalang batas na ang pinapapasa ng nila?

"Sa mga bansa mong ibinangit, walang problem sa mga iyon dahil ang kanilang pag ngawa ay inaayon nila sa batas nila."

at hindi ba naaayon sa Constitution natin ang bill of rights na lahat ay may karapatang magsalita? sa pagkaka alam ko nasa bill of rights natin yun. may batas ba satin na nagsasabi ng bawal magrali? bawal ang magpahayag ng kontra sa policy ng gubyreno?

hindi ko makuha ang ibig sabihin nito, "dahil ang kanilang pag ngawa ay inaayon nila sa batas nila." dahil sa pagkakaalam ko pinabasura ng mga aktibistang pranses ang batas (na mismo) magbibigay ng probation period sa mga first timer na mga manggawa dahil ito'y gagamitin lamang na pangsupil sa mga manggagawa. hindi bat ganun din ang panawagan ng mga manggagawang pinoy ang ibasura ang herrera la o ang batas na contractualizaion? hindi ko makuha kung anong ibig sabihin ng "inaayon sa nila sa batas nila".

Hindi ko alam na out of bounds na ang mga pag ngawa.

"Hindi tulad sa pilipinas ang ang mga ngumangawa ay may bahid na kagustuhang ibagsak ang gobyerno na sila mismo ay kaparte."

sinasabi ba ng batasan na ibagsak ang gubyerno? ang alam ko ang batasan6 ay nananawagan sa pagpalit ng gubyerno hindi pagbagasak ng gubyerno. ang pagkakaalam ko ang andvocacy ng batsan6 ay ipatupad ang mga batas na "constructive" sa atin ekonomiya at mamamayan gaya ng re-nationalization ng petron.

"Nakuha nyo rin ba na dahil may pondo na ang gobyerno na may punakalang batas na bawasan ang tax sa mga low income workers."

Paki-ulit po ng statement nyo tungkol dito. medyo malabo eh. ang pagkaka-alam ko po ay malaki ang deficit ng treasury natin. Yan po ang mga headline natin last year at kahit nagyong taon. ano ba ibig asbihin ni deficit? ibig pong sabihin nag budget tayo ng pondo pero sa realidad, wala namang actual na pera. sa madaling salitang ang kulang ay saan po ba dapat kunin, saang kamay ng Dios natin huhugutin ang bilyun-bilyung piso na kulang sa budget? hidni po sa utang ulit? utang na naman. hindi po ba na kung bakit nila pinagpilitang ipasa ang e-vat ay dahl walang pondo, sa kabila ng kapalpakan ng BIR na sinigilin ang mga tax evader natin (hindi po ng mga individual na tao kundi mga korporasyon). higit sa lahat, hindi ko pa po narinig ang balitang bawasan ang tax ng malilit na manggawa. sa pagkakaalam ko po nung nndyan akosa Pnas ay 30% po ang tax ng mga income earner na mababa sa 70,000 a month ang sweldo. Paki post din po ditosa blog na to ang mismong panukala na yan, or kahit news article na yan at ng pagtulungan po nating ipaliwanag kay Ka satur.

"Noong pumalit si Cory, ano ang nangyari. Ngawa din kayo.
Pumalit si ramos, ngawa din kayo.
Pumalit si estrada,ngawa din kayo."

Kung hindi po kame ngumawa sa palagay nyopo ay maunlad na tayo? refer to above!


"Ngayong si macapagal na, ngawa din kayo sa EVAT. O nakuha ba ng pagiisip mo na nakatulong ang evat in the long term?"

kahit po gawing 50% ang e-vat, hindi po natin kayang bayaran ang utang nating kulang-kulang 70Bilyun dollar s loob ng susunod na 20 years.

"Wala akong tutol sa inyong pag ngawa ang ayokong ngawa ay ang ngawa lang kayo ng ngawa na wala namang ginagawa bagkus ba ay nakakaperwisyo pa sa iba."

wala pa po akong narinig s mga nag-go-grocery na nagpasalamat sa gobyerno dahil dinagdagan ang vat. baka po kayo nag papanalangin pa na dagdagan ang vat. wala din po akong narinig na mga magulang na nagpasalamat sa gubyerno dahil dinagdagan ang vat sa gasolina at bayad sa expressway.

"Ang hiling ko lang be constructive sa inyong pag ngawa."

At hindi pa po ba constructive ang aking maikling paliwanag na ang pagiging atrasado natin ay dahil sa kwalan ng trabaho dahil sa kaukulangan ng industrialisayon, na ang sanhi ng paggiging OFW namin ay dahil tinutulak kame ng kahirapan sa pilipinas at kawalan ng hanapbuhay ulit.

Kung mali po ang at hindi constructive ang aking nagawa. Malugod ko pong hinihintayang inyong maikling paliwanag, ang inyong analysis ng lipunan natin, ng history ng pagkakalugmok natin, at higit sa laht ilatag po ninyo ang nararapat na gawin (hindi ng isang individual lang kundi ng sambayanang pilipino) para umunlad at ng umahon tayo sa pagkakabusabos.

At higit sa lahat, hindi po ba constructive ang pagkakaupo ng batasan6 sa kongreso at paglalaban nito para ating mga mamamayan?

10:55 AM  
Blogger Tonyo said...

hawaiianguy,

thanks for the compliment. that made my morning. hehe.

some caveat statements first:

this blog is devoted to the idea that the people should support the batasan6 representatives's fight for due process and justice. they are obviously being persecuted for their political beliefs -- being leftists and staunch critics of gma. this ensuing political persecution is a terrible scam in a so-called democracy.

having said that, i am really concerned by the sometimes malevolent posts or comments that seem to propose the idea that the batasan6 and left somehow "deserve" the persecution they are getting. such a view saddens me and many others not only because it is a direct attack on our right to be leftists, but on all filipinos who have rights to harbor their own beliefs (sans violating others).

having said that, i wish to answer your two questions:

1. gloria is a de facto president since she illegally and baselessly swore herself into office in cebu city in 2004. the brazen acts of fraud committed by gma and her cabal brought the nation to where it is now: a terrible crisis.

2. the left remains a vibrant, dynamic and considerable political force because of its theories and the sound application of these theories on practical questions.

the anti-left academics and anti-left parties may pretend all they like about the "death of socialism" but that, at best, could only be viewed as intellectual dishonesty. in many parts of the globe, leftist movements (both armed or unarmed, legal or illegal) are on the upswing, thanks in no small way to the utter failure of the world capitalist system to repair the damage it has wrought on the rights and livelihood of entire nations and continents.

locally, the left has remained a popular force for two reasons: 1) the elitist parties are all failures; and 2) the left still remains a long-term and serious challenge politically and militarily.

as i reckon from published statements of prof. sison and mr. jalandoni, the territories of the cpp-npa-ndf are expanding, and the npa offensives against its enemies are happening more often. i suppose we are not a nation of idiots, ignoramuses and cowards as to allow "evil", "godless" and "rah-rah" leftists to reach such levels of success. i think it is not at all surprising that the cpp-npa-ndf continues to gather adherents because the people in areas they cover see a certain degree of consistency and militancy on the part of the left. no armed revolutionary prospers without popular support. the military is merely making excuses when it says that the cpp-npa-ndf are just terrorizing rural folk into supporting the revolution.

as for the political parties to which the batasan6 belong, they advance the principles of "new politics" in contraposition to traditional politics. what is too leftist about it boggles the mind.

the left is not creating or fostering illusions about a fake presidency, a badly-managed economy and a status quo rotting to the core. these are all out in the open. it is not the left's fault if its message of change continues to catch the attention and devotion of our people.

which brings us back to the situation of the batasan6 and how the government is violating due process in a crazy campaign to persecute them for being leftists and for harboring a gma-free government, among others.

11:46 AM  
Anonymous mi animoso said...

to ptzpublicwindow

Pagusapan ang deficit. Di ba sa unang pagkakataon ang mga ahensya ng gobyerno ay nakapagtala ng record breaking na koleksyon para kumita ang gobyerno.

Sa Evat, hindi ba dahil sa tax measure na ito ay nadagdagan ang kaban ng bayan? Di ba may panukalang batas sa kongreso na tangalling ang witholding taxes para sa mga low income earners.

Ang pagsugpo sa corruption, nagkaroon ng lifestyle check sa panahon ng gobyernong ito at dahil dito ang mga tumataba at nagpapasasa na officials ay mabisto at makasuhan.

Eto na kapatid ang panahon para tayo ay magkaisa at sabihin sa gobyerno ang mga batas na dapat baguhin at tangalin ang mga batas na hindi sangayon sa atin.

OO marami silang nagawang batas pero hindi ito doon nagtatapos. Ang kailangan ay ang kanilang partisipasyon sa gobyerno upang maiangat ang kababayan natin. Pwede silang maging kritiko ng gobyerno pero hindi dapat maging kritiko ka na lang. Na kahit na mga batas na kailangan ay kinikritiko at tinututulan dahil galing kay gloria. Marami sa inyo rito ay bulag din sa paniniwala na lahat na ginagawa ng gobyerno ay MALI. Kung ganyan ang inyong pag-iisip ay wala kayong kahantulad sa mga facistang nag post dito sa blog na ito.

Ang aking pananaw sa gobyerno, ito ay isang komposisyon ng mga tao. Tao na independyente at sariling pag-iisip. Tama bang sabihin na si Gloria lahat ang may kasalanan sa fertilizer scam kung isang tao o grupo ng tao ang nagkamali o nag desisyon na mangurakot? Lahat ba na kabulukan sa gobyerno ay dapat isisi sa pangulo? Kung ito nga, ito ba ay sa tamang pag-iisip. Tama bang isisi sa gobyerno ang pagtaas ng langis kung hindi naman tayo oil producing country?

Sino ba ngayon ang nagpupursige na
maglaan ng pondo sa development ng alternative fuels. Hindi ba sa panahon ng gobyernong ito.

Bakit tayo kulang sa industriyalisasyon? Dahil walang gustong maginvest sa pilipinas dahil sa maingay at uncertain political conditions.

Ang atin bang workforce ay competitive sa global na ekonomiya? Bakit pupunta ang isang negosyante sa pilipinas kung ang labor sa india, china at mexico ay napaka mura. Hindi ko sinasabing ibaba natin ang minimum wage natin ang punto ko ay ito ay dapat ikonsidera natin ang global na aspeto. Wala akong problema sa filipino first policy ni garcia pero dapat din nating tingnan ito sa isang global na aspeto.


Bawal sa pagraralyy, sinabi ko ba yon? Hindi bawal ang pag rarally kung ito ay nasa tamang lugar, bakit kailangan iiwas ang trapiko kung meron namang mga lokasyon na pwedeng pag rallyihan na hindi makaka-abala sa trapiko. Oo tama ang sinabi isa dyan na tayo ay a nation of citizens and not a nation of commutters, pero may batas tayo na dapat sundin. Ang batas ay batas mayaman o mahirap.

Kung maraming batas na ayon sa mayayaman, aksyonan!

Kung dapat baguhin ang sistema ay baguhin. Pero sa mapayapang pamamaraan. Naitatanong mo na ba sa batasan 6 kung itinatakwil nila ang NPA?

Sa huli, panahon lang ang makapagsasabi, pero ang dapat ay aksyon at hindi lang ngawa. Ang pag ngawa ay may kabuluhan kung ito ay nasa konstruktibong aspeto at hindi ang layuning ay pabagsakin ang gobyerno.

12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To tonyo.

1. gloria is a de facto president since she illegally and baselessly swore herself into office in cebu city in 2004. the brazen acts of fraud committed by gma and her cabal brought the nation to where it is now: a terrible crisis.

Prove this. A terrible crisis you said, let us wait when her term finishes and let us have this conversation again.

2. the left remains a vibrant, dynamic and considerable political force because of its theories and the sound application of these theories on practical questions.

Face the fact, that majority of the filipinos does not accept the left ideology. The leftist ideology has been consistently rebuked by HISTORY. Have you heard of CHINA, RUSSIA, GERMANY and POLAND? Where is CUBA NOW? North Korea? A nation run by the leftist is very free from foreign or ALIEN control but where are they now in the map of developing nations?

3. The only measure of this so called LEFT SUCCESS will be the coming years to come and it's ability to convince majority of the filipinos to embrace the leftist idealogy. I have my doubts, if they will be able to overcome their old habits.

In my view, any extremist form of government is doomed for failure as history shows.

4. These leftists have to face that there is a new breed of filipinos emerging from this leftist vs rightist war. A new breed that will be pro filipino and centrist in it's ideals and God centered.

Some leftist organizations are seeing that it needs to change. These organizations like the akbayan are leftist in nature but has decided to let go of the armed struggle which in my view have a more fighting chance to their die hard left counterparts. This also shows that there are cracks in the perceived invicibility of the leftist ideology.

5. Only the people in the mountains will know on what is truly happening there. A mass exodus of workers going abroad can be bad or good from a leftist point of view. Bad, as it somehow erodes the large mass base that leftist organizations claims to have. Good from a point that it shows that government's ineffectiveness. Being a centrist, I do not want to quote the military's claim against the communist claims. There is no accurate measure or guage to do this but time and history will tell. Both are part of a complex propaganda war that I wouldn't even want to go there.

1:28 PM  
Blogger ptz821 said...

mi animoso

pero deficit pa rin. i-translate na lang po sa pagpapagawa ng classroom, health clinic, at pag-papataas ng sahod ng mga titser, pulis, doktor, nars ng gubyerno ang sinasabi po ninyong pagtaas ng koleksyong sinsabi nyo. at saka bakit po sa remittance n lang ng OFW umaasa ang mga nagdaang administrayon at lalo na ang ang administrasyong GMA. kung lumalaki na po or malaki na ang budget natin at wala ng deficit, maglabas kaya ng policy or batas or resolution ang pamahalaan natin na bawasan na ang mga pinapadalang OFW or mas magandang policy na re-patrition ng mga doctor, nurse, engineer, technician, teacher dahil mayrun ng mahahanap na trabaho sa atin? kung ganun na po ang kalagayan sa panahon ni GMA uuwi na po ako bukas dyan sa atin at pupuntahan ko kayo at batiing "sa tagumpay at sa katapusan ng exodus ng mga pilipino sa ibang bansa, buong mundo nandito na kame, mga pinoy, may sarili ng negosyo at industrya para as mga mamammayan, wlang pamilyang magkakahiwahiwalay!!! para a tagumpay!" ganun na po ba kaganda sa atin ngayon?

Tanong lang po kung sinong nagbigay ng panukalang batas na babaan ang income tax ng low wage earner. at anong resoultion number po noon at ng masubaybayan po ng sambayanang pilipino ang debate sa resolution na to. paki banggit na rin po kung sinong magiting na kongressman ang nagpanukala nito at ng mabigyan ng supporta mula sa mga taong tinatax gaya ko.

tama po na ito yung panahon na magkaroon ng lifestyle check, at panahon rin po na ipaalala sa malakanyang at sa ombudsman na bilisan ang paglitis kay dating pang. estrada. pakibilisan lang po at ng makapagbigay ng sample na hindi kailanaman dapat i-tolerate ang pang-aabuso sa posisyon ng pag-kapangulo.

wala naman pong sinabi kame dito na lahat ng ginawa ng gubyerno ay mali, at kung dapat po bang dapat pagusapan ang mga magagandang bagay na nagawa ng gubyerno, kailangan din bang mag-rali at sabihing TAMA nag inyong ginagawa na in the 1st place yun nman dapat ang gawin, ang tamang pamamalakad di po ba? kailangan bang magrali kapag pinagbigyan ang katuparan ng mga magsasaka na magkaroon ng lupang sakahin, kailangan po bang i-rali kapag nadagdagan ng karampot ang kaban ng gubyerno? ang pinag rarali po namin ay ang kawalang direksyon sa paggamit ng pondo ng bayan.

tama po kayo na hindi lahat ng sisi ay sa pangulo, pero sino po ba nagsasabing magbigay ng priority sa mga panukalang batas tuwing magbubukas ang kongresso? hindi po natin sinasabing ang gubyerno lang, bakit di po natin muna punahin ang sarili kung bakit ganito tayo? bakit di po natin punahin ang mga sarili natin na binubusabos na ang mga kapitbahay natin na hindi makapag-aral ang mga anak dahil walang pamantasang kayang magbigay sa kanya ng edukasyon sa mababang matrikula. bakit di natin punahin sarili natin na hindi tayo kumikilos para sa kapit bahay natin na walang panggamot dahil walng gamot na mura ang maibibigay o mabibili sa mga ospital na publiko, malala pa walang doktor or nars sa mga health clinic? bakit di po natin punahin ang mga sarili na hindi tayo kumukilos na bigyang seguridad ang ating buhay tuwing gabi dahil walang pulis, dahil walang mobile patrol, dahil walang ilaw ang mga poste, ang mga kalsada? sino po ba dpat nating sisihin? ang mga naging pangulo na hindi naranasan ang kahirapan ng simpleng mamamayan o ang mga mamamayang hindi kumikilos para para sa kanyanag kapakanan na syang dapat na binibigay ng gubyerno.

"Tama bang isisi sa gobyerno ang pagtaas ng langis kung hindi naman tayo oil producing country?"

hindi po natin kasalanan ang walang langis sa pilipinas, at hindi rin sinisisi ang gubyerno kung bakit walang langis sa pilipinas. napakababaw naman ng contenttion na sisihin ang gubyerno dahil hindi tayo myembro ng opec. ang sinasabi natin (ng bayan muna) ay ganito, maglaan ng buffer fund para hindi gaanong nakakasakit sa mamamayan ang pangdaigdigang pagtaas ng langis, ang magkaroon ng centralize procurement ng langis (mayrun pong babasahin nito sa bayan muna website para po sa pag-susuri at pag-aaral ng nakararami) at pag-regulisa (regulation) sa presyo ng langis sa pamamagitan ng isang batas na magbibigay limitasyon sa mga presyong dapat ibigay ng mga kompanya mula sa porsynto sa totoong presyo ng langis sa pandaigdigang market. pakibasa na lang po ng resolutions tungkol dito. mas nararapat nga pong ito ang pag-usapan natin mula sa mga resolution ng bayan muna para naman may direksyon ang mga uspan dito sa blog na to.

sa pagkakaalam ko po ulit, ang bayan muna ay merong panukalang batas para sa pagresearch ng mga alternatibong fuel. paki search na lang po ang resolution na yun sa bayan muna website.

"Ang atin bang workforce ay competitive sa global na ekonomiya? Bakit pupunta ang isang negosyante sa pilipinas kung ang labor sa india, china at mexico ay napaka mura. Hindi ko sinasabing ibaba natin ang minimum wage natin ang punto ko ay ito ay dapat ikonsidera natin ang global na aspeto. Wala akong problema sa filipino first policy ni garcia pero dapat din nating tingnan ito sa isang global na aspeto."

pakiulit po ng statement, or pakipaliwanag, magkakahalong ideya po ang nakapaloob eh.

hindi po ba global na aspeto ang pantay na negosyo or trade sa pagitan ng pinoy na negosyante at dayuhan?
hindi ba patunay na ang manggawang OFW na pinoy ay world class? kung may trabaho lang sna atin hindi na po natin kailanagang magpadala ng mga OFW.

mukha pong nalason na kayo ng aming mga katunggali sa mga kasinungalian na ang batasan6 ay mga NPA. wala po sa bundok ang batasan6, sila rin ay nasa gubyerno na. at ang mga alegasyon pong iyon ay syang ugat ng pagtigil nila sa batasan dahil hindi mabigyang hustisya ang mga alegasyon sa kanila.

wala pong nagsasabing pabagsakin ang gubyerno. ang sabi po ay palitan ang politikang bulok ng mga nasa gubyerno.

3:56 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

im not sure if tonyo is avoiding my questions or he just missed my last post.

5:01 PM  
Blogger Tonyo said...

"pinoy", i am not hiding. i answered your last post. please take a close look at the comments and you will see. after commenting on your comment, i had to go do errands for family because its a sunday.

anyway, there's this last "anonymous" comment that i can't let pass. is that you?

there's life beyond this blog. or more precisely, life is outside this blog.

11:27 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

to anonymous,

Do we have to wait for the cock to crow by 2010 to see for ourselves that this nation is facing a terrible political crisis because of Gloria's illegitimacy?

I don't think so. It is manifest. The conversation actually already began when she called Garci to rig the 2004 elections.

2:09 AM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

To Johndoe and the anonymous who said something on Gloria staying until 2010,

"Gloria's regime is illegitimate." I favor that line. Gusto kong topic yan, hindi na pork barrel. hehehhe.

Proof? Wait for Biazon's committee to open Gloria's can of worms, now that EO 464 is shot down by the court. Meron din akong kunting alam at mai share.

But Mr (or Ms/Mrs) anonymous has some good point to say. Maybe I share with him/her one thing, I'm also a centrist (or used to be). Meron tayong pag uusapan dito.

Sali ka naman pinoy, baka meron ka ring punto diyan. At least meron kaming sparring partners. Hindi na debate, kung ayaw mo nito. Usapang walang balitaktakan lang at matinong talakayan.

3:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KUNG LAHAT NA MGA TRAPOS AYAW TUMANGGAP NANG SWUELDO O HINDI NA BIBIGYAN NANG SAHUD MABAWASAN SIGURO ANG MGA TRAPOS NA YAN AT POLITICAL DYNASTY SA ATING BAYAN. ANG LAHAT NA KANDIDATO MANALO SA ELECTION GALING COUNSILORS, MAYORES, GOBERNADORES, SENADORES, CONGRESISTA, PRESIDENTE (AT MGA VISE)SA BOONG BANSA HINDI NA NATIN BIGYAN NANG SAHUD. ANG MGA CANDIDATO AY MULTI MILLIONAIRES AND THEY DON'T NEED SALARIES. THEY SPENT MILLIONS FOR VOTE BUYING. THE PHILIPPINES WILL SAVE MILLIONS OF PESOS TO HELP THE NEEDY, THE POOR, THE LESS FORTUNATE, PAMBAHAY, BUILD SCHOOLS AND BUY BOOKS AND IMPROVE PHILHEALTH. THIS IS A VERY GOOD PROPOSAL.
2. IMPLEMENTATION OF MANDATORY FAMILY PLANNING LIKE CHINA. VASECTOMY OR TUBAL LIGATION AFTER
SECOND CHILD. ANG PROBLEMA SA ATING MGA POBRENG KABABAYAN, WALA PANG PERA, "KANTOT NANG KANTOT", KAHIT MARAMI NANG MGA ANAK AT LAHAT INA-ASA SA ATING GOBIERNO. KAYA NGA ANG PINAS MAIWAN ANG MGA POBRE AT PULUBI. WALA NANG GINAWA NAG MASS PRODUCTION PARANG PUBRIKA NANG BATA. IF THERE ARE 50 MILLION PEOPLE OUT OF 84 MILLION NAG REPRODUCE ONE CHILD EVERY TWO YEARS, HOLY COW, BY YEAR 2020 THEIR ARE MORE POOR PEOPLE IN THE STREETS WAITING FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE HOUSING, EDUCATION, FOOD STAMPS. KAWAWA TALAGA ANG PINAS. PARANG WALA NANG PAGASA. WE WILL BE LIKE THE NEXT AFRICA SOONER OR LATER. WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR POOR PEOPLE FOR FAMILY PLANNING NOT PLANTING. PERO ANG CATHOLIC PRIEST AGAINST ARTIFICIAL FAMILY PLANNING NAMAN. MARAMI TAYONG PROBLEMA. FROM CORRUPTION,
INCOMPETENT LEADERS, POLITICAL DYNASTY, REBELLION (LEFTIST/RIGHTIST) POLITICAL OPPORTUNIST, NPA, MNLF/MILF, MAFIAS, ORGANIZED CRIMES, DRUG TRAFFICKING, DRUG ADDICTION, POVERTY, KAHIT "KANTOTAN" PROBLEMA PARIN. EWAN KO BA. HAHANGAD NALANG TAYO SA LANGIT MGA KABAYAN. AS OF THIS MOMENT I DONT THINK ANY LEADERSHIP CAN SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS IF WE WILL NOT BE UNITED. NAG-AAWAY LAHAT ANG PINOY. CPP-NPA AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT, MILF/MNLF,
RIGHTIST AGAINST OUR GOVERNMENT. LAHAT SA ATIN GUSTO NANG LALABAS SA ATING BANSA. MAIIWAN NALANG YUNG MGA MAHIRAP AT PULUBI NA WALANG EDUCATION NAG MASS PRODUCTION LALONG DUMAMI. ANY GOOD IDEAS? HALA BIRA!

8:10 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

"Face the fact, that majority of the filipinos does not accept the left ideology. The leftist ideology has been consistently rebuked by HISTORY. Have you heard of CHINA, RUSSIA, GERMANY and POLAND? Where is CUBA NOW? North Korea? A nation run by the leftist is very free from foreign or ALIEN control but where are they now in the map of developing nations?"

On what terms should we gauge history's supposed rebuking of the "leftist ideology"? In the first place, which "leftist ideology are we talking about? The Left is not a monolithic bloc. There are communists, socialists, anarchists, libertarian-anarchists, green left, etc. and in between each, there are colors of grey that shade into one another.

Should the terms be the universal attainment of literacy, curing diseases without spreading new ones, eradicating hunger, and eradicating poverty? Then it is capitalism which history has rebuked for having failed to accomplish these goals after more than 6-7 hundred years of ruling the world.

If the terms be the fall of Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, the restoration of bourgeois-comprador rule in China, and the capitulation of Cuba to WB-IMF, then let it be known that history has so far been written by the imperialist victors who twist the facts to fit the illusion - the illusion that the "end of history" has come. The real history of this world, the history of the toiling masses, is yet to unfold and, as tonyo remarked, on the upswing.

8:38 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

"Face the fact, that majority of the filipinos does not accept the left ideology. The leftist ideology has been consistently rebuked by HISTORY. Have you heard of CHINA, RUSSIA, GERMANY and POLAND? Where is CUBA NOW? North Korea? A nation run by the leftist is very free from foreign or ALIEN control but where are they now in the map of developing nations?"

On what terms should we gauge history's supposed rebuking of the "leftist ideology"? In the first place, which "leftist ideology are we talking about? The Left is not a monolithic bloc. There are communists, socialists, anarchists, libertarian-anarchists, green left, etc. and in between each, there are colors of grey that shade into one another.

Should the terms be the universal attainment of literacy, curing diseases without spreading new ones, eradicating hunger, and eradicating poverty? Then it is capitalism which history has rebuked for having failed to accomplish these goals after more than 6-7 hundred years of ruling the world.

If the terms be the fall of Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, the restoration of bourgeois-comprador rule in China, and the capitulation of Cuba to WB-IMF, then let it be known that history has so far been written by the imperialist victors who twist the facts to fit the illusion - the illusion that the "end of history" has come. The real history of this world, the history of the toiling masses, is yet to unfold and, as tonyo remarked, on the upswing.

8:41 PM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Johndoe,

You're right.

Maybe people should be discerning enough to also consider these: what history? who wrote it (or where does it come from?)? and for whom?

Reminds me of the fallacious belief many people still hold on to these days - that Magellan discovered the Philippines; that Columbus did the same to America, etc.

Just asking.

3:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So guys, you are now questioning historians whose only fault is to write events as they happen.

Assuming that ALL of these historians are purportedly bias to capitalism or anti-left (whatever colors they have), are you blind not to see that there is no more Communist Russia today? The leftist Germany is gone!

Is this not a fact, how can millions of people from Germany and Russia go wrong? Do we even need these biased historians to relay and inculcate these in our calloused minds they ceased to exist!

These countries that used to champion for the masses, locking their doors from the capitalists devils have done a 180 degree turn and and are now sleeping with these capitalist devils they despised a decade ago.

I can't say anything more...

Anyway good luck to everybody I guess we just have different ways to attain the ultimate goal that is "the success of the filipinos in a global world and the emancipation of the poor filipinos from poverty."

8:33 AM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Let me say my piece, in answer to anonymous.

On historian's fault, bias, and facts -

No, they are not at fault (or even biased). Historians only reproduce the dominant mode of story telling and making history. Like it or not, most history that we read are Western, Eurocentric, capitalist-oriented, and scientific. Historians pander "facts" that almost everybody believes, because they weave into the widely acceptable paradigm. History, like other disciplinal science, is man-made and is also subject to many errors external to the observer. "Facts" are not absolute or immutable, they are socially determined and constructed, and follow the groove of power. I always wonder about the "fact" that communism is "dead," that it ceased to exist when millions of communists embraced capitalism ("look, they borrow from World Bank/IMF, drink coca cola and eat McDo burger, trade with us," etc.). Ask their own historians and they will tell us a different story altogether. It's just that they are seldom published in our forum, or are usually misunderstood, because they use the paradigm of the "other" (minority, silent, inarticulate, etc.).

Except for East Germany (itself paradoxical and unique), the fragmentation and seeming "capitalistic" tendencies of Russia, China, and others can be explained by the collapse of autocratic, totalitarian rule that they themselves have realized are incompatible with the ideals of socialism. The change that we see is actually an attempt to democratize their rigid structure that was installed by such rulers as Stalin (Russia), Tito (Yugoslavia), and Ceausescu (Romania), among others. (Ceausescu's case is our Marcos equivalent, who was also deposed by people power.)

History uses the language of power, and capitalism is the more powerful voice due to number and economics. What we often hear or read, for example, is the word "demise" or "capitulation" of communism, rather than what they call "perestroika" (reform or openness in Russia under Gorbachev). Socialism did not die, they would argue (realize they also avoid using "communism.") It only introduced reforms (like decentralizing the structure) and accommodated changes relevant to the times.

"sleeping with the despised capitalist devils"

Demonizing is mutual. Capitalist-oriented scholars also crucified and buried the "communists." Now that they are "dead," they regretted it because they lost an enemy who is the reason for their being.

6:17 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to hawaiianguy:

Is what the govt doing to them justified? (esp. on the alleged tieup between NPA/CPP/NDF and Batasan6. Clearly, that's the govt position, not yours. Just want to hear your opinion, if you mind.) - posted on the comment section of "Discovering the Batasan complex + more" of Joel Virador.

I don't mind at all.

I just read this story through manila standard online to have something to say on your question.

Let me first comment on Ted's post. He said something about the PNP and DOJ peddling lies about them being under arrest in the House. I wish he was more specific. But I will give him the benefit of the doubt for that.

Ted is raising the issue of the right ot undergo preliminary investigation before a case is filed.

I am not a lawyer so I am not really that familiar with this process. But reading Ted's statement above, it appears that a case has been filed. If his right has been violated (his right to undergo preliminary investigation) then a case should have been filed.

However, on the news today, it says that "The DoJ filed rebellion charges yesterday..." So this contradicts Ted's statement that their right was violated when he made the post on April 18, 2006 11:26 am. Yesterday was April 25, 2006. So in reality, no case has been filed yet when Ted made his post. Unless the news is not accurate.

Ted kept mentioning "these rights". It would have been better if he enumerated what these rights are.

On the same Manila Standard news, it mentioned:

“We will not stand in the way,” Nograles said, adding that the resolution granting the five lawmakers protection explicitly provides that they should be accorded due process and that a preliminary investigation should be conducted before they can be arrested.

Does this mean that due process has been accorded and that preliminary investigation conducted as Nograles said, "We will not stand in the way." since a case has already been filed by the DoJ?

Ted summed up their stay at the Batasan as an ACT OF DEFIANCE. So be it. That they are not afraid of arrest. That we will see. The news said they had a press con yesterday. That I didn' see.

Going back to your original question asking if what the government is doing justified with regards to the tie up.

In the underground, you will never use your real name. You will always use your alias. Now, the government prosecutors has prove with certainty that the one underground personality is the same real world person. Or how can they prove Armando Liwanag (I'm not sure but I think he is the one who claims to be party chairman) and Jose Ma. Sison are one and the same person.

On the above ground like the Batasan 6, I really don't know what evidence the government has to show their connection with the underground. The connection is an accepted reality. How to prove it is the messy part. Remember the "makapili" witness that the government presented to media before? That was really stupid and pathetic on the government's side.

The government filed rebellion charges to almost 50 individuals. That's a lot. I doubt if this regime has the evidence to prove it or if their evidence will stand in court.

Now if there is truly a conspiracy between the left and rightist group, that would be an act of desperation and the height of opportunism on both sides.

6:21 PM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to tonyo:

just read the following comment from you

anyway, there's this last "anonymous" comment that i can't let pass. is that you?

No, it's no me.

6:36 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

to anonymous,

"So guys, you are now questioning historians whose only fault is to write events as they happen.

Assuming that ALL of these historians are purportedly bias to capitalism or anti-left (whatever colors they have), are you blind not to see that there is no more
Communist Russia today? The leftist Germany is gone!

Is this not a fact, how can millions of people from Germany and Russia go wrong? Do we even need these biased historians to relay and inculcate these in our calloused minds they ceased to exist!

These countries that used to champion for the masses, locking their doors from the capitalists devils have done a 180 degree turn and and are now sleeping with these capitalist devils they despised a decade ago."

I don’t play blind to the fact that communist East Germany is gone, that communist Russia is no more, that every country that used to swear by The Communist Manifesto now swears by the tenets of every neo(liberal) kid on the block. What I was trying to point out is that historians do not just write events as they happen. If the historians’ task were only to write events as they happened, this world would have a history that’s nothing more than the six o’clock news and the tales of Lola Basyang would be more interesting to the curious cat.

But it is one thing for historians to tell that London Bridge is falling down, it is another to tell why the bridge fell. When the Cold War was raging, we were regaled by clarion calls proclaiming that that war was fought to protect democracy and the “free world”. This was the official doctrine until some village idiot asked, “if this war was fought for democracy, why must the US and her allies play godfather to every two-bit dictator in the Third World?”, one of them being Marcos. That led everyone to realize that the Cold War, just like all wars since the 19th century, was a war for markets.

History, especially Western historiography, is not neutral. Never!. Western historians quite rightly reported that the Berlin Wall collapsed but refrained from telling us about “the invisible hand” that undermined the Wall from within. It took some village idiot to do just that.

What happened to Russia and Eastern Europe will for a time be a bone of contention between Western historians and the village idiot. But some montage of the past might be worth taking a second look. In Russia now, contemporary history’s hype is on the youth who apes his Western counterpart. But for every Russian youth of the new generation who labors for the quick way to get rich to be able to buy his coveted Levis and MP3, there is a 60 year old who pines for the old days when there was no unemployment, everyone had a roof on his head, everyone got to go to school on state expenses, everyone could go to the beaches of Mideterranean at year end for a compulsory vacation. They did not live luxuriously then as say Bill GAtes but their basic needs were taken care of.

12:42 AM  
Blogger Teddy Casiño said...

To Pinoy,

Just to clarify. When I uploaded this post on April 18, there was no case (technically, it's called an "information") filed in the courts yet. But there was already a complaint (defective in form, but that's another story) filed by the PNP with the DOJ as early as Feb. 27. The violation here was that even if the DOJ had not conducted preliminary investigations yet on the complaint, the PNP already wanted to arrest us. In fact, the PNP tried to arrest us on Feb. 25 (a day after Proclamation 1017 was issued) EVEN BEFORE they filed a complaint with the DOJ.

The normal course of things is that the police file a complaint with the DOJ, which conducts preliminary investigations to determine probable cause. If there is probable cause, then a case is filed in court and it is the judge who issues a warrant of arrest. What they wanted to do was the other way around: arrest us first then start from step 1. This violated our Constitutional rights to due process (in particular Art. III Sections 1, 2, 14 and 18).

Because they were rebuked by Congress on this issue and we were accorded protective custody to protect us from the abuses of the PNP and DOJ, our accusers are now trying to save face by coming up with the ridiculous theory that the House's protective custody was, in fact, an arrest. Of course the House leadership categorically denied this three times already, in plenary at that, but the PNP just wouldn't budge and said they would arrest us once we left the House. Thus we filed a case with the Court of Appeals (still pending) to stop them from committing that atrocity.

Now that a case has already been filed in Court (I'll write about this in the next few days), can they arrest us? No. The judge will be the one to decide whether to arrest us or not. But here's the rub. If, according to the PNP, we are already under arrest in the House, then when the judge finally issues a warrant of arrest, we can always say "hey, we're already under arrest in the House so don't bother. Just let us stay here and let Speaker de Venecia be our warden."

12:51 AM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

pinoy,

nanjan ka naman sa mga tirada mo eh!

Sabi mo hindi ka abogado. Ako rin. Kaya pwede ba basahin na lang natin yung motion nila teddy and company asking the court to strike out the amended information and to suspend the proceedings dahil sa mga mahika negra na ginawa ng DOJ during the preliminary investigation.

Mas mabuti na yung basahin kaysa venturing into putting clouds of doubt doon sa sinabi ni teddy.

Payong kapatid yan pinoy ha. 'Wag mo sana masamain.

12:57 AM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

o ayan. pinagbigyan ka tuloy ni teddy.

12:59 AM  
Blogger Hawaiianguy said...

Johndoe,

Wow! That's heavy stuff you posted on history, man. I like it. Are you a political scientist? (Lisod man na sabton sa mga dili kaayo lalom ang readings, parehas sa usa nato ka sparring partner diri na kunohay daghan nahibaw-an.)

Sorry guys, just a one-on-one chat.

1:58 AM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

hawaiianguy,

Sorry kung heavy stuff yun. Blame it on anonymous who started it all. Sinasagot ko lang post niya. Hindi po ako PS. Pero kahapon, nakausap ko ang village idiot dito sa aming sangandaan.

8:11 AM  
Blogger Robby Villabona said...

To Teddy Casino and the rest of the Batasan 6:

I would have more respect for your group if you allowed yourselves to be arrested. If you want to challenge your arrest, then challenge them in court. And that line about depriving your constituency of representation -- as well as that line about "if they can do this to us, they can do it to anyone" -- you're all beginning to sound like trapos. I WISH THEY COULD DO IT TO YOU -- JUST TO DEMONSTRATE THAT CONGRESSMEN SHOULD NOT BE ABOVE THE LAW (again, challenge your case in court, not on TV hiding behind Batasan). What your post tell me about you is that your privileged positions have gotten to your head, and you are now officially part of the rotten system.

I used to respect your group's principles, even if I didn't share most of your beliefs. But I believe that the true character of a person is exposed in a crisis -- and the characters your group has shown in your crisis speaks either of your guilt, or weak stomachs. Maybe both.

10:21 AM  
Blogger Teddy Casiño said...

To Robby,

We ARE challenging it. We're challenging the DOJ/PNP position in the DOJ itself, the Makati Regional Trial Court, the Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court.

What we are NOT going to do is to walk out of the Batasan and straight to jail WHEN WE KNOW IT IS AN INJUSTICE and a CLEAR VIOLATION OF OUR RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS. If they want to arrest us, let them GET A WARRANT FIRST like everybody else.

If and when we are served an arrest warrant, WE WILL NOT RESIST arrest nor will we hide under the cloak of parliamentary immunity.

Teddy

1:11 AM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

Bakit ba kasi palaging ginigiit yung challenge challenge na yan samantalang chinachallenge naman talaga ng Batasan6 ang kaso laban sa kanila? Simple lang naman yung sitwasyon bakit hindi lumabas ang Batsan6, bakit parang mahirap intindihin.

Kung alam mong may patibong na inilagay ng iyong kaaway sa daan, dadaan ka pa ba sa daan na yun kung pwede naman na komprontahin mo ang kaaway without stepping into his trap?

8:53 AM  
Blogger pinoy said...

to teddy casino:

thank you for the clarification.

8:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sa mga nanlilibak sa Batasan 6 tungkol sa:

Kaso daw nila na sedition at ang kanilang 'pagatago' sa loob ng kongreso

Pork barrel

Pagiging 'komunista' at 'NPA'

Ito ag hamon ko.

Tungkol sa kaso nila, ba't di nyo basahin ang kanilang blog na kung saan kinukwestiyon nila ang kawalan ng due process. Basahin nyo ito at punto por punto ay sagutin ang kanilang mga argumento. Sa tingin ko kasi di nyo ito binasa pero panay kayo dakdak. Kung sabagay ang pakay nyo naman ay manira lang at di upang liwanagin ang isyu. Ika nga set na at sarado na ang mga isip nyo. Iyan na ang posisyon na pinili nyo. Pero para ma-exercise ang utak nyo, ba't di nyo nga sagutin ng punto por punto ang mga pahayag nina Ka Satur at ng mga kasama nya tungkol sa ikinakaso sa kanila.

Tungkol sa pork barrel. Ganito yan, ikinampanya na ang pag-scrap ng pork barrel pero habang di pa ito nangyayari e mas mabuting tanggapin ang pera at gamitin sa mabuti. Ngayon patunayan nga ninyong mga nanlilibak na ang Batasan 6 ay nagpakasasa dito? Magbigay kayo ng katibayan, sige nga? Kung wala, e pawang ang Commission on Audit lang ang makapagsabi at ayon sa kanila pawang accounted for ang paggamit ng Batasan 6 sa pork barrel nila. Hirap kasi di yata kayo nakatanggap. Bago ako nag-abroad ay nakita ko, at least sa Central Luzon na talagang maraming natulungang magsasaka sa pork barrel nila. Siguro suriin din ninyo ang estilo ng pamumuhay ng Batasan 6, kung maluho ba sila tulad ni Mike Arroyo.

Sa pagiging 'komunista' at "NPA' lumang tugtugin na yan ng mga walang sa pag-argumento bagkus ay kantyaw lang ang alam. Kung di kayang talunin sa argumento e sa pagparatang na lang, ika nga a argumentum ad hominem, o personalan. Pwede ring argumentum ad baculum, yung argumento na dinadaan sa pananakot. Dahil nga naman kung paratangan kang komunista ay death threat na rin yan. Siguro ay galit ang mga nanlilibak na yan at di pa patay ang Batasan 6 at gusto nilang palabasin ng gusali ng kongreso. Dahil di makaya sa argumento patayin na lang, ganon ba?

Kung ibinigay man nila ang pork barrel sa NPA e patunay na di sila nagpakasasa at ibinigay pala sa isang layunin. Ang nagpakasasa, ganito yun. Magpapagawa ng malaking bahay, gabi-gabi kakain sa mga resto sa Makati, linggo-linggo ay bakasyon sa Boracay, Dakak at El Nido. Sa Pilipinas pa lang yan. Ngayon sa abroad naman ay ibibili mo ang pork barrel ng gusaling paupahan sa Amerika at pupunta doon upang bumili ng ring side ticket para panoorin si Manny Pacquiao at yakapin sya pagkatapos. Sample lang yan. Nakita nyo ba yan sa pamumuhay ng Batasan 6?

Teka kung ubod ng sama ang NPA at sino man na mga yan bakit di masugpo-sugpo? Siguro hinihintay ang mga manlilibak na yan na mamuno sa operasyon laban sa kanila. Pero bago malimutan tsip (o cheap), hamon ko muna na punto por puntong himayin at pabulaanan ang mga pahayag lalo na nong kay Ka Satur. Una, i-quote sya ng buo at isa-isahin na banatan ang mga puntong sinabi nya. Kung di nyo kaya itong gawin e sige lang magdakdak lang kayo. Kailangan din namin ng libangan. Alam nyo ba na di ako matigil sa katatawa sa pagbasa sa inyo?

As to the English speaking person who sermonzed about democracy, separation of powers, right of the state to defend itsel, etc. Hey, you seem to have gotten your ideas from a high school textbook on Philippine government. Not that I belittle you for being capable of handling only high school stuff, but there's a world of a difference between what the textbook says and reality. Power can be abused and law can be abused regardless of what is said in theory. The law is abused when you arrest someone out of flimsy and trumped up pretexts and when you deprive them due process. That's the main issue about the Batasan 6. But have you really read their side? Come on, you read and write in English read their statements and rebut them, point by point. If not you're always welcome to be a laughingstock. Anyway, you seem to be still in high school so you still have your future ahead of you, or, how long have you really been in high school so far?

Taga-Virginia Beach, Virginia

3:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From anonymous to anonymous

I'd like to comment on a point one anonymous blogger made on Teddy Casino's letter. One remark he makes is:

"The laws in our country is fair and just,
otherwise, it would not have passed through congress
or we would not have been invited in the community of
nations, like the United Nations."

I don't know if that person has heard of apartheid in South Africa and for a time, slavery and segregation in the United States. Those institutions, while they were still in force, were legal. They went through the proper legislative procedures. While slavery became illegal before the end of the 19th century, segregation, which is like apartheid, was in full force up to the mid 1960s in the bulwark of democracy, the United States, of which that anonymous person is sure a big fan of. Now that's not too long ago especially since the US has been posing since 1775 as the champion of democracy.

Now, segregation is neither fair nor just, that's why there was the Civil Rights movement. But it was legal. Now does it follow that legal is just? That indeed is faulty logic.

Now would that person be willing to be arrested and jailed for being made to undergo something that is not fair and just? I support Mr. Casino's and the rest of the Batasan 6 in challenging the accusations against them and the lack of due process, which that anonymous person has not really addressed, involved in trying to jail them. They are willing to face to charges against them if there's due process. By the way, by holing themselves up in Congress they're not doing anything illegal. They have obtained that arrangement within the bounds of the law. By doing so, they can still perform their tasks and duties in the legislature. So what's the big deal? why ask them to go to jail?

What the constitution says and reality are two different worlds. Written documents hardly say anything about the balance, or imbalance, of power which happens in the real world. If you have the support of the generals, then you can toy with the law indefinitely. You can make all kind of ridiculous bases for arresting someone and flout proper procedures, like the DOJ's disregard of its own rules, and get away with it. That's why it's important to make power balanced in reality and not just in the law. Wow, I just can't fathom how people who're supposed to live in the Philippines cannot grasp existing political realities.

Of course, if one is committed to a particular party, such as that of GMA, then one would be willing to engage in silly discourses that have no bearing in reality. Survival is first and foremost. I remember the Mike Toledo, one of Erap's spokespersons when he dished out all sorts of outlandish alibis to defend his boss at the prelude to EDSA II. GMA people are no different.

4:24 AM  
Blogger migrantengpinoy said...

I'm glad that the batasan 6 blogspot is often visited. I fully support the batasan 6 in their struggles and what they stand for. However, just one appeal to people who post comments to not waste this opportunity to seriously discuss issues and refrain from hurling insults at each other, no matter how amusing they may seem. Pagkakataon na natin itong mapag-usapan ang mga isyu ng seryoso at mapakinabangan ng husto ang mga oportunidad na idinudulot ng cyberspace lalo na sa aming nasa labas ng bansa. Ako'y may pinaninindigan na ring posisyon na nasabi ko na sa umpisa, pero gusto ko ring masubok sa pag-aargumento ng mga di sang-ayon sa akin. Ang iba dyan ay nais maliwanagan o kaya'y may malakas na argumento pero ang iba ay mukhang nang-aasar lang. Di ko na papatulan yang huling. Syanga pala, kahit blogspot ito ng Batasan 6 ay maaari ring sagutin ng iba ang mga katanungang ukol sa kanila. Kaya nga may comments eh. Okay?

I hope even when this current struggle of the Batasan 6 has been resolved, hopefully in their favor, they will continue to maintain this blogspot.

4:50 AM  
Blogger migrantengpinoy said...

From another anonymous,

There you go, there's Teddy's response. What they're against is arrest without a warrant, which is ILLEGAL, in fact, UNCONSTITUTIONAL even in a state of emergency. It's something as basic as that. If you allow yourself to be arrested without a warrant, tanga ka. So what are you detractors yak-yakking about? Come on, please justify warrantless arrest, legally. OOh, I'd love to see it. O baka naman di nyo alam ang warrant of arrest?. A ewan sa inyo.

5:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Migranteng pinoy,
Kapag ba pulis ka at may nakitang kang sinasaksak, hahanap ka muna ng warrant to arrest the criminal? Sorry to say, but rebellion is one crime na dina kailangan pa ng warrant..mahirap ba kayong makaintindi?? Ngayon kung sasagutin mo na out of topic..mas ewan ko sa iyo..

4:12 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

anonymous,

Ayan. Magkakaroon talaga tayo ng problema kung ang mga komplikadong bagay ay inioversimplify natin. Maging oversimplistic din ang pagtingin natin sa mga bagay-bagay.

So, contention mo na ang rebelyon pala ay continuing offense kaya exception ito to the general rule na kailangang magkuha muna ng warrant of arrest ang awtoridad. At dahil exception siya, iba ang prinsipyo na naggovern sa ganoong sitwasyon para maging valid ang warrantless arrest. Ito ang prinsipyo o "doctrine of personal knowledge" of the arresting officer.

Nabasa mo ba ang 392 documents na sinumite ng CIDG na suporta sa kanilang akusasyon laban sa Batasan 6? Kung nabasa mo, nandoon ba ang elemento ng "personal knowledge" of the arresting officer para pwede na nilang arestuhin ang Batasan 5 na walang warrant?

Pakisagot po.

6:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johndoe,
Kaya naman nagkakaproblema kase ang simpleng bagay ginagawa mong complikado..sobra na dami abogado sa pilipinas..bayaan mong sila ang mag-interpret..ang hirap sa inyo nakabasa lang kayo ng konti law feeling abugado na kayo...

6:40 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

anonymous,

ayan. sino ba ang nagbrought up sa isyu na ang rebelyon ay hindi na nangangailangan ng warrant dahil "continuing offense" kuno? Sino ba ang nagsimula na nag-aastang abogado? Tapos kung masupalpal, aatras sa argumentum ad hominem. Akala ko ng pinasok mo yung isyu na yun, mahaba pisi mo.

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johndoe,
di naman ikaw ang sinagot kundi si migranteng pinoy..sumagot ka ng hindi ikaw ang tinatanong..tsaka pareho tayong di abogado..ang sa akin, simple lang ang sinabi..kapag rebelyon, walang warrant. yung mga abogado sila na balang magsabi kung rebelyon yun o hindi..hindi yun tulad mo na feeling lang..hehehehe

7:00 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

Kung ikaw ay matagal na sa mga public forums sa internet, dapat alam mo na ang lahat ng mga comments na mag-appear doon ay fair game for comment. At saka wala akong nakikita sa mga simplistikong comments mo na magqualify bilang sacred texts kagaya ng Ten commandments para hindi ko komentarypohan. At saka, kung magkomentaryo ma ako o hindi sa mga post mo, ako ang magdecide noon HINDI ikaw.

Besides, I felt obliged to answer you dahil may patanong ka kasi doon na "mahirap ba kayong makaintindi?". So in my response, I tried to show na mahirap nga intindihin yun dahil sa iyong pagsabi na ang mga akusado sa rebelyon ay pwedeng arestuhin na walang warrant, mayroon maraming mga bagay na hindi naconsider sa pagsabi mong iyan. That's why I brought out the doctrine of persopnal knowledge which was glaringly absent in your oversimplification.

7:13 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

And mind you, anonymous, it does not require a lawyer to point out your oversimplification.

7:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johndoe,
Para sa kin ang simpleng bagay di dapat gawing kumplikado..ngayon kung yan ang type mong gawin bahala ka sa buhay mo.

Mag-abugado ka muna tapos dun mo ipilit and alam mo..pero hangang di ka abugado di kita paniniwalaan.

6:36 PM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

Anonymous,

huwag ka na epal jan! Nahalata tuloy na hindi mo kayang ipagtanggol yung analogy mo na pulis na nakakita ng nananaksak at inaaplay mo sa Batasan 6 para arestuhin na walang warrant. Mali yung analogy na yun! Hindi ganoon kasimple ang sitwasyon ng Batasan 5. At sa pagsabi kong mali yun, gusto lang kita ilabas sa kweba ng kamangmangan na pinagtaguan mo. Pero parang ayaw mo yata lumabas e di bahala ka rin sa buhay.

Dito sa liwanag, masaya dito!

10:15 AM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

Napatunayan ko na tuloy: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!

10:17 AM  
Anonymous bell said...

3-0 na si Gloria! Pati si anonymous, 3-0 na kay johndoe.
Fight anonymous! Kahit bugbog na, fight pa rin.

Huwag kang mahiya, fight!

11:05 AM  
Anonymous johndoe said...

anonymous,

Kanina ginagrant ng huwes ang motion ng Batasan 6 na ibasura ang amended information ng DOJ. Stricken out na ang amended information. Bakit kaya binasura ng huwes kung may pulis na nakakita sa diumano'y ginawang rebelyon ng Batasan 6 ayon sa iyong analogy? Pakipaliwanag nga ayon sa iyong teorya na hindi na nangangailangan ng warrant. Aber! Tingnan natin kung naintindihan mo ba yung sinasabi mo.

10:46 PM  
Anonymous amberashes said...

sumagot ka na anonymous baka sakali tatama ka at makabawi.

1:45 PM  

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